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27 May 2022, 7:09 pm

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When looking for "Warning Signs" of a potential mass shooter, I encountered this article:[/color]  FBI Warning Signs of Mass Shooters 

What I found particularly interesting was this bar graph:[/color]



Note that "Violent Media Use" (e.g., video games) ranked 13th on the list at 19%, and that "Sexual Behavior" ranked 20th at 6%.

So all you people claiming that video games and sexuality were important factors are making invalid claims.[/color]


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Norway mass-shooting trial reopens debate on violent video games

By John D. Sutter, CNN

Updated 1622 GMT (0022 HKT) April 20, 2012

A number of recent studies have cast doubts about the link between video games and violence, but there's no definitive answer.


https://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/19/tech ... index.html

Once again, there seems to be contextual buggery involved.
Most people don't have a predilection toward psychopathy.
About 4% are, from memory.
Most people do not encounter an environment that encourages sociopathy.

To say that the entire population, in its entirety <sic>, isn't prone to engaging in violent criminal acts is missing the point.
To say that there are segments of society that may be significantly influenced by violent material is the point.

In a recent shooting (years recent) there were a couple of perpetrators who dressed up in Matrix-style trenchcoats.
Obviously, they were influenced by the violence in that movie.

I am not suggesting all violent media should be censored from society.
I value freedom of thought, after all.
I am making the point that a more violence-tolerated mindset has its consequences.

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A 2015 policy statement from the American Psychological Association says that research demonstrated a link "between violent video game use and both increases in aggressive behavior ... and decreases in prosocial behavior, empathy, and moral engagement."

In the American Academy of Pediatrics July 2016 guideline on media violence, the academy warned that violent media set a poor example for kids. Overall, the academy's summary of the results from more than 400 studies revealed a "significant" link between being exposed to violent media (in general) and aggressive behavior, aggressive thoughts and angry feelings.


You may be interested to know that a number of prominent Democrats had concerns about violent media.

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Democratic President Bill Clinton then asked the government to look into whether media companies, including the video game industry, were marketing violent content to young people.
Hillary Clinton campaigned against violent video games when she ran for Senate in the mid-2000s, and after a man opened fire at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, then-Sen. Joe Lieberman said young men who commit mass shootings "have had an almost hypnotic involvement in some form of violence in our entertainment culture, particularly violent video games."


https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/05/poli ... index.html

In summary:
Violent media desensitises individuals to violence in general, and this in turn, creates a more aggressive social climate, overall.
Ironically, this more violent society may actually create the settings, through bullying in particular, for the creation of sociopathic elements in our community.

The wise old skunk *sharing* a different POV. 8)



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27 May 2022, 7:17 pm

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Those in denial about the necessity of gun control have come up with the most ridiculous explanations for why the shooting happened:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/too-many-doo ... 56293.html

Liberal teachers??Thats one of the stupidest things ever said.


That, and CRT, are the scapegoats of those with nothing reasonable to contribute.


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27 May 2022, 7:29 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Those in denial about the necessity of gun control have come up with the most ridiculous explanations for why the shooting happened:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/too-many-doo ... 56293.html

Liberal teachers??Thats one of the stupidest things ever said.


That, and CRT, are the scapegoats of those with nothing reasonable to contribute.


To them, CRT is "hate wh***y" theory.


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27 May 2022, 7:46 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Those in denial about the necessity of gun control have come up with the most ridiculous explanations for why the shooting happened:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/too-many-doo ... 56293.html

Liberal teachers??Thats one of the stupidest things ever said.


That, and CRT, are the scapegoats of those with nothing reasonable to contribute.


To them, CRT is "hate w****y" theory.


Of course! True reactionaries, they are determined to wipe away any and all civil rights achievements by portraying whites as the victims of racism, and thereby making the actual victims out to be the perpetrators.


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27 May 2022, 8:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Those in denial about the necessity of gun control have come up with the most ridiculous explanations for why the shooting happened:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/too-many-doo ... 56293.html

Liberal teachers??Thats one of the stupidest things ever said.


That, and CRT, are the scapegoats of those with nothing reasonable to contribute.


CRT can be politicised.
*THAT* is the problem, my fiend friend. 8)



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27 May 2022, 8:07 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Those in denial about the necessity of gun control have come up with the most ridiculous explanations for why the shooting happened:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/too-many-doo ... 56293.html

Liberal teachers??Thats one of the stupidest things ever said.


That, and CRT, are the scapegoats of those with nothing reasonable to contribute.


To them, CRT is "hate w****y" theory.


Perhaps for some, but I doubt all.
Please don't generalise. ;)



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27 May 2022, 8:45 pm

I'm wondering why they don't just issue cops in the US with bullet proof vests, Perhaps if one of the frightened children told 9-11 that there was a black man in the school then the cops would be there lightening fast with guns drawn/blazing.



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27 May 2022, 8:48 pm

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I’m totally for background checks, red flags and waiting periods and I own guns.Nothing tactical, I don’t see the need for it.Rural people often have guns for hunting. ,sometimes you have to put a large animal down, or a varmit that’s attacking livestock.
The only people that need military grade weapons are the military.


That's what we have in Australia, People who live on farming properties all own firearms to control pests/feral animals. Military have access to military weapons.

"Urban cowboys" living in cities don't need guns. In Australia we have only ever had 1 mass shooting and the culprit was mentally ill.



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27 May 2022, 9:14 pm

Two Professors Found What Creates a Mass Shooter. Will Politicians Pay Attention?
Mass shooters overwhelmingly fit a certain profile, say Jillian Peterson and James Densley, which means it’s possible to ID and treat them before they commit violence.
By Melanie Warner
05/27/2022 02:54 PM EDT

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... a-00035762

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... POLITICO: Can you take us through the profile of mass shooters that emerged from your research?

Peterson: There’s this really consistent pathway. Early childhood trauma seems to be the foundation, whether violence in the home, sexual assault, parental suicides, extreme bullying. Then you see the build toward hopelessness, despair, isolation, self-loathing, oftentimes rejection from peers. That turns into a really identifiable crisis point where they’re acting differently. Sometimes they have previous suicide attempts.

What’s different from traditional suicide is that the self-hate turns against a group. They start asking themselves, “Whose fault is this?” Is it a racial group or women or a religious group, or is it my classmates? The hate turns outward. There’s also this quest for fame and notoriety.

POLITICO: You’ve written about how mass shootings are always acts of violent suicide. Do people realize this is what’s happening in mass shootings?

Peterson: I don’t think most people realize that these are suicides, in addition to homicides. Mass shooters design these to be their final acts. When you realize this, it completely flips the idea that someone with a gun on the scene is going to deter this. If anything, that’s an incentive for these individuals. They are going in to be killed.

It’s hard to focus on the suicide because these are horrific homicides. But it’s a critical piece because we know so much from the suicide prevention world that can translate here.

POLITICO: I’ve heard many references over the last few weeks to “monsters” and “pure evil.” You’ve said this kind of language actually makes things worse. Why?

Densley: If we explain this problem as pure evil or other labels like terrorist attack or hate crime, we feel better because it makes it seem like we’ve found the motive and solved the puzzle. But we haven’t solved anything. We’ve just explained the problem away. What this really problematic terminology does is prevent us from recognizing that mass shooters are us. This is hard for people to relate to because these individuals have done horrific, monstrous things. But three days earlier, that school shooter was somebody’s son, grandson, neighbor, colleague or classmate. We have to recognize them as the troubled human being earlier if we want to intervene before they become the monster.

Peterson: The Buffalo shooter told his teacher that he was going to commit a murder-suicide after he graduated. People aren’t used to thinking that this kind of thing could be real because the people who do mass shootings are evil, psychopathic monsters and this is a kid in my class. There’s a disconnect.

POLITICO: Do you get criticism about being too sympathetic toward mass shooters?

Peterson: We’re not trying to create excuses or say they shouldn’t be held responsible. This is really about, what is the pathway to violence for these people, where does this come from? Only then can we start building data-driven solutions that work. If we’re unwilling to understand the pathway, we’re never going to solve this.

POLITICO: So, what are the solutions?
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27 May 2022, 9:29 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
POLITICO: Do you get criticism about being too sympathetic toward mass shooters?

Peterson: We’re not trying to create excuses or say they shouldn’t be held responsible. This is really about, what is the pathway to violence for these people, where does this come from? Only then can we start building data-driven solutions that work. If we’re unwilling to understand the pathway, we’re never going to solve this.
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Good article.

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27 May 2022, 9:29 pm

Wasn't the TOm Cruise dystopian concept of "pre-crime" a fantasy created in a world where people could own guns but the police could predict who was going to commit a murder based on monitoring for specific cues from security cameras that created a algorrithm that predict they would kill?

Isn't that literally what they do with data stored in Langley for foreign groups in the US so why not domestic terrorists in our own backyards?.



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27 May 2022, 9:32 pm

I decided not to start a new thread, but this broke earlier today.

What do you think? :evil:

https://theeagle.com/news/state-and-regional/as-police-waited-children-inside-texas-school-called-911-begging-for-help/article_d6b4ab08-de26-11ec-abf5-9b26d6af2bf3.html


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27 May 2022, 9:33 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I’m totally for background checks, red flags and waiting periods and I own guns.Nothing tactical, I don’t see the need for it.Rural people often have guns for hunting. ,sometimes you have to put a large animal down, or a varmit that’s attacking livestock.
The only people that need military grade weapons are the military.


That's what we have in Australia, People who live on farming properties all own firearms to control pests/feral animals. Military have access to military weapons.

"Urban cowboys" living in cities don't need guns. In Australia we have only ever had 1 mass shooting and the culprit was mentally ill.


I believe there was a multiple shooting in Victoria, prior to Martin Bryant.

https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... tin+Bryant



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27 May 2022, 9:38 pm

cyberdad wrote:
I'm wondering why they don't just issue cops in the US with bullet proof vests, Perhaps if one of the frightened children told 9-11 that there was a black man in the school then the cops would be there lightening fast with guns drawn/blazing.


This comment is rather inappropriate.
I don't want it removed.
I want to save it for posterity. :mrgreen:

The person was a POC, btw, wasn't he? :scratch:



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27 May 2022, 9:42 pm

Pepe wrote:
This comment is rather inappropriate.
I don't want it removed.
I want to save it for posterity. :mrgreen:

The person was a POC, btw, wasn't he? :scratch:


Matter of conjecture what he identified as.

BTW if the cops has one of their own kids in the school I doubt they would have dawdled outside.



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27 May 2022, 10:05 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
This comment is rather inappropriate.
I don't want it removed.
I want to save it for posterity. :mrgreen:

The person was a POC, btw, wasn't he? :scratch:


Matter of conjecture what he identified as.

BTW if the cops has one of their own kids in the school I doubt they would have dawdled outside.

Of course.