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21 Mar 2020, 10:06 pm

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We do not have herd immunity to help fight this virus which is spreading quickly because people are spreading it unknowingly because of their careless flippant behavior. The precautions are there to slow the spread so it doesn't overload our infrastructure and break down supply lines. If supply breaks down it only compounds the problem and now have much larger problems than covid-19. You end up with civil unrest which only spreads the virus further because again, we do not have herd immunity because it is not the flu. Things are going to get much worse before they get better, just wait till we see the ramification of spring breakers going home and spreading it further to places it may not have spread to without that boost. See where this is going?


The Australian government is doing amazing things to help business/jobs survive.
They have announced their plan today.
Looks impressive to me.



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21 Mar 2020, 10:20 pm

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It’s not that the rules aren’t strict enough, it’s that people are Constantly breaking them.


We have the same problem here in Australia:
Recalcitrant NTs flooded Bondi Beach on Friday, against the specific recommendation by the Prime Minister not to do so.
Most were younger people who seem to not give a rats arse about the consequences to older people and with those who have other health issues.
*They* will be ok, so bugger everyone else.
Charming. :mrgreen:



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21 Mar 2020, 10:24 pm

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And I have said so many times that you cannot trust WHO. China controls WHO. Why don't you look at all the instructions for their own people? They recommend masks for their own people. Isn't it a bit contradictory? I hang around Chinese families in the US. I have seen the booklet of instructions. It's not even hard to find Chinese education videos on YouTube. China recommends wearing masks, for their own people.

Be an independent thinker, please.


So you chastise me for "thinking I know better than the experts" and now you are saying to be an independent thinker, which is what I am, and you objected to it.



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21 Mar 2020, 10:30 pm

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According to Worldmeter:

There were “only” 477 new cases yesterday, and 21 new deaths in the entire United States.

It now says 5,403 new cases, and 34 new deaths.

As I've said many times, with this virus, you have to learn to be patient. Also, reporting is not done per day. The numbers can get updated several times per day.

It now says +7,301 new cases and +84 new deaths. We in USA are today the champion in the world in the number of new cases.


At 26,825 cases we still have a long ways to go compared to the 35,520,883 cases of flu we had last year. Hopefully we won't come anywhere close to that in the long run.



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21 Mar 2020, 10:33 pm

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Maybe, but at this point death rates are going down.


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No, it's just a fluctuation. The number of cases are growing fast and the death rates will grow fast as well.


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21 Mar 2020, 10:34 pm

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(1) I have written that I think the current "lockdown" situation is acceptable "better safe than sorry". But only up to a point ie not for months on end unless it really does become absolutely necessary.

(2) I said that based on charts that I have seen and info I have read from the CDC, that virus epidemics hit a peak within flu season and then start tapering off fairly rapidly.

(3) I said hospitals and clinics are getting a lot of people coming who have cold and mild flu symptoms to get tested for covid-19 ie at least 150,613 have been tested in the United States according to what I read. In other words a lot more people than usual are coming in because of testing.

(4) I said that I am worried about working class people losing jobs over businesses having to shut down. Not for a 2 week shutdown, but rather one lasting months on end as some (experts?) are suggesting should be done.

I do not see why anyone would have a problem with those opinions.


Well, I don't, and I am a god darn genius. :mrgreen:


I can tell. Takes one to know one :wink:



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21 Mar 2020, 10:37 pm

quite an extreme wrote:
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Maybe, but at this point death rates are going down.


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No, it's just a fluctuation. The number of cases are growing fast and the death rates will grow fast as well.


I know it could just be a fluctuation. Since these get produced every two days will have to wait until the 23rd to see what the March 22nd bar looks like. I am hoping it will be smaller.

As it stands right now, while the number of cases nearly doubled in 2 or 3 days, the number/percentage of serious cases has remained the same.

In the US right now for serious or critical cases we are at:

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March 18th it was:

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21 Mar 2020, 11:09 pm

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For one thing the common flu doesn't kill healthy young medical workers
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/why- ... ?r=US&IR=T



Out of up to 646,000 deaths from the flu, how could you possibly know none of them were healthy young medical workers?

Interesting that you feel a need to reply.
The logic behind the post is seriously flawed.
Meh. :shrug:



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21 Mar 2020, 11:15 pm

EzraS wrote:
Pepe wrote:
EzraS wrote:

(1) I have written that I think the current "lockdown" situation is acceptable "better safe than sorry". But only up to a point ie not for months on end unless it really does become absolutely necessary.

(2) I said that based on charts that I have seen and info I have read from the CDC, that virus epidemics hit a peak within flu season and then start tapering off fairly rapidly.

(3) I said hospitals and clinics are getting a lot of people coming who have cold and mild flu symptoms to get tested for covid-19 ie at least 150,613 have been tested in the United States according to what I read. In other words a lot more people than usual are coming in because of testing.

(4) I said that I am worried about working class people losing jobs over businesses having to shut down. Not for a 2 week shutdown, but rather one lasting months on end as some (experts?) are suggesting should be done.

I do not see why anyone would have a problem with those opinions.


Well, I don't, and I am a god darn genius. :mrgreen:


I can tell. Takes one to know one :wink:


BTW, I am seriously not a fanboy of yours.
And my religion doesn't allow partisan behaviour, because we worship the Truth, and not groupthink.

I just like the way you think.
And honestly, we do see a lot of things in a similar way.
I like your emotional discipline and your inherent rationality. :wink:

OMG!
I *do* sound like a fanboy after all :!: 8O :mrgreen:



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21 Mar 2020, 11:17 pm

Pepe wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
For one thing the common flu doesn't kill healthy young medical workers
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/why- ... ?r=US&IR=T



Out of up to 646,000 deaths from the flu, how could you possibly know none of them were healthy young medical workers?

Interesting that you feel a need to reply.
The logic behind the post is seriously flawed.
Meh. :shrug:


How is it "interesting" I "needed" to reply and how is my logic seriously flawed?
I would like to see if you can put any substance to such critiques or if you are just expelling gas.



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21 Mar 2020, 11:23 pm

EzraS wrote:
Pepe wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
For one thing the common flu doesn't kill healthy young medical workers
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/why- ... ?r=US&IR=T



Out of up to 646,000 deaths from the flu, how could you possibly know none of them were healthy young medical workers?

Interesting that you feel a need to reply.
The logic behind the post is seriously flawed.
Meh. :shrug:


How is it "interesting" I "needed" to reply and how is my logic seriously flawed?
I would like to see if you can put any substance to such critiques or if you are just expelling gas.


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I was talking about the other guy, who shall remain nameless, posting something that lacks reason, not your post. :wink:

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Syd wrote:
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In the end, Florida will have more deaths than New York.


So far New York has had 75 deaths from covid-19 since January.


New York will pass Washington. New York will lead for a long time. Florida will later overtake New York.


Maybe, but at this point death rates are going down.


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21 Mar 2020, 11:27 pm

Darmok wrote:
Note date and highlighted text. (Click twice to embiggen.)

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And the "time bomb" has gone BOOM! 8O

eikonabridge wrote:
And I have said so many times that you cannot trust WHO. China controls WHO. Why don't you look at all the instructions for their own people?

We actually do have common ground after all.
WHO would have thunk it. :wink:

eikonabridge wrote:
Be an independent thinker, please.

Prudence forbids me to comment.
Oh, dear, I just did. 8O :mrgreen:



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21 Mar 2020, 11:36 pm

Pepe wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Pepe wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
For one thing the common flu doesn't kill healthy young medical workers
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/why- ... ?r=US&IR=T



Out of up to 646,000 deaths from the flu, how could you possibly know none of them were healthy young medical workers?

Interesting that you feel a need to reply.
The logic behind the post is seriously flawed.
Meh. :shrug:


How is it "interesting" I "needed" to reply and how is my logic seriously flawed?
I would like to see if you can put any substance to such critiques or if you are just expelling gas.


8O
I was talking about the other guy, who shall remain nameless, posting something that lacks reason, not your post. :wink:


Ah I see now. I often feel compelled to reply where logic is seriously flawed. Perhaps I will grow out of it.



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22 Mar 2020, 12:36 am

I see social distance is at least working on WP :lol:



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22 Mar 2020, 1:06 am

Lockdown benefits and its logic explained :


https://www.facebook.com/1803415904/pos ... 301726589/


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22 Mar 2020, 1:14 am

US now has 708 people in serious or critical condition (3%).