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31 Dec 2019, 3:04 pm

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If the democratic field doesn't get electable real fast then Trump likely will get re elected.Conviction of impeachment may be the only hope at this point,what democrat can beat Trump.


Don't hold your breath on Trump being convicted of the impeachment.

It appears like the Democrats in Congress don't want that. Their so-called investigation is so slip-shod and so hurried that it never had a chance.

It's amazing to me how stupid the Democrats acted on it -- they were in such a big hurry that they didn't even interview all the witnesses, not even the most important witnesses. They are seriously delusional if they think that they did the work necessary to impeach Trump.

I've seen this before. I knew someone who was on trial for murder. The prosecutor was so convinced that it was a slam-dunk that he hardly prepared for the trial. In the end, the defendant was acquitted by the jury. Interviews with the jury went along the lines of "We are convinced that he did it, but the prosecutor didn't prove that he did it."

I never thought the Democrats were anywhere close to being as stupid as they have shown themselves to be over the Trump impeachment. The case had potential, but they seem to be so convinced that everyone will see it the same as them that they haven't done the work necessary to get a guilty verdict. What a bunch of losers!



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31 Dec 2019, 3:12 pm

Even if the case were a near slam-dunk, I doubt very few of the Republicans would vote for conviction.

Much more is needed. It has to be a "slam-dunk PLUS." There has to be corroborating evidence from other quarters. There has to be some proof that he's mentally unstable (so that a conviction wouldn't be necessary).

Perhaps, Pelosi is fishing for more evidence before she proceeds.



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31 Dec 2019, 3:15 pm

kokopelli wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
If the democratic field doesn't get electable real fast then Trump likely will get re elected.Conviction of impeachment may be the only hope at this point,what democrat can beat Trump.


Don't hold your breath on Trump being convicted of the impeachment.

It appears like the Democrats in Congress don't want that. Their so-called investigation is so slip-shod and so hurried that it never had a chance.

It's amazing to me how stupid the Democrats acted on it -- they were in such a big hurry that they didn't even interview all the witnesses, not even the most important witnesses. They are seriously delusional if they think that they did the work necessary to impeach Trump.

I've seen this before. I knew someone who was on trial for murder. The prosecutor was so convinced that it was a slam-dunk that he hardly prepared for the trial. In the end, the defendant was acquitted by the jury. Interviews with the jury went along the lines of "We are convinced that he did it, but the prosecutor didn't prove that he did it."

I never thought the Democrats were anywhere close to being as stupid as they have shown themselves to be over the Trump impeachment. The case had potential, but they seem to be so convinced that everyone will see it the same as them that they haven't done the work necessary to get a guilty verdict. What a bunch of losers!
There is no way the senate will convict,it's to partisan.


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31 Dec 2019, 3:41 pm

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The evidence is right there, in public, for all to see.


Then they won't reelect him.


Some of “them,” are too enchanted by his cult leader charisma to use any sort of logic or reasoning when it comes to assessing his electability.


Where's the ROFL emoji when you need it? Since when has using logic and reasoning for voting on anything been a requirement?? You think MAGA people or whatever they're called corner the market on emotional voting? ROFL.



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31 Dec 2019, 3:47 pm

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kokopelli wrote:
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If the democratic field doesn't get electable real fast then Trump likely will get re elected.Conviction of impeachment may be the only hope at this point,what democrat can beat Trump.


Don't hold your breath on Trump being convicted of the impeachment.

It appears like the Democrats in Congress don't want that. Their so-called investigation is so slip-shod and so hurried that it never had a chance.

It's amazing to me how stupid the Democrats acted on it -- they were in such a big hurry that they didn't even interview all the witnesses, not even the most important witnesses. They are seriously delusional if they think that they did the work necessary to impeach Trump.

I've seen this before. I knew someone who was on trial for murder. The prosecutor was so convinced that it was a slam-dunk that he hardly prepared for the trial. In the end, the defendant was acquitted by the jury. Interviews with the jury went along the lines of "We are convinced that he did it, but the prosecutor didn't prove that he did it."

I never thought the Democrats were anywhere close to being as stupid as they have shown themselves to be over the Trump impeachment. The case had potential, but they seem to be so convinced that everyone will see it the same as them that they haven't done the work necessary to get a guilty verdict. What a bunch of losers!
There is no way the senate will convict,it's to partisan.


It could, but it would take real evidence that appalled the Senators and their voters. The House doesn't have that evidence and hardly tried to get it. The whole thing was for show.



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31 Dec 2019, 5:07 pm

kokopelli wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
If the democratic field doesn't get electable real fast then Trump likely will get re elected.Conviction of impeachment may be the only hope at this point,what democrat can beat Trump.


Don't hold your breath on Trump being convicted of the impeachment.

It appears like the Democrats in Congress don't want that. Their so-called investigation is so slip-shod and so hurried that it never had a chance.

It's amazing to me how stupid the Democrats acted on it -- they were in such a big hurry that they didn't even interview all the witnesses, not even the most important witnesses. They are seriously delusional if they think that they did the work necessary to impeach Trump.

I've seen this before. I knew someone who was on trial for murder. The prosecutor was so convinced that it was a slam-dunk that he hardly prepared for the trial. In the end, the defendant was acquitted by the jury. Interviews with the jury went along the lines of "We are convinced that he did it, but the prosecutor didn't prove that he did it."

I never thought the Democrats were anywhere close to being as stupid as they have shown themselves to be over the Trump impeachment. The case had potential, but they seem to be so convinced that everyone will see it the same as them that they haven't done the work necessary to get a guilty verdict. What a bunch of losers!
There is no way the senate will convict,it's to partisan.


It could, but it would take real evidence that appalled the Senators and their voters. The House doesn't have that evidence and hardly tried to get it. The whole thing was for show.
They couldn't have gotten it,the evidence does not exist,Trump is a moran but he never engaged in criminal activity.That was fabricated by the democrats and that's why they presented so little evidence at the house hearings,Trump is an idiot but he is not a criminal.


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31 Dec 2019, 5:12 pm

Trump has engaged in criminal conduct before. He's no choirboy.

If he actually gave "hush money" to that ex-prostitute," he committed a criminal act.

He's also committed irregularities when it comes to his business dealings.



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31 Dec 2019, 5:20 pm

I'm not so sure he's an idiot. For example, does the media use Trump and control his narrative or does Trump use the media? One would assume that the media controls the narrative, however in countless instances in the last four years or so (ie pre-election through the present) where his latest gaff, antic or bombshell was sure to sink him in public opinion, polls have put him as popular as Obama which seems incongruous with the media narrative. The media would have us think there there are a few enclaves of MAGA supporters and 95% of the rest of the country hate the guy. How could he continue to be unscathed time and time again with near 100% negative media publicity?

I think it's at least possible that he leads the media around by the nose. He waves a shiny object and the media go after it spitting and screaming. He waves a different shiny object and they turn course and spit and scream that way and so on. The media are like screeching ringwraiths with a singular target. The public sees the obvious bias and increasingly ignores it.



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02 Jan 2020, 3:24 pm

BREAKING NEWS FROM CNN


White house budget official told pentagon that order to hold Ukraine aid came from Trump,national security site reports


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02 Jan 2020, 7:35 pm

Whether via impeachment or voted out, I can’t wait to find out what criminal charges are pressed against him the millisecond he’s no longer a sitting down president. :D


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03 Jan 2020, 1:11 am

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Even if the case were a near slam-dunk, I doubt very few of the Republicans would vote for conviction.

Much more is needed. It has to be a "slam-dunk PLUS." There has to be corroborating evidence from other quarters. There has to be some proof that he's mentally unstable (so that a conviction wouldn't be necessary).

Perhaps, Pelosi is fishing for more evidence before she proceeds.


Collins, Murkowski and possibly Romney might vote for conviction.


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03 Jan 2020, 6:33 am

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Whether via impeachment or voted out, I can’t wait to find out what criminal charges are pressed against him the millisecond he’s no longer a sitting down president. :D


Probably no charges at all, at least on the federal level.



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03 Jan 2020, 8:39 am

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Whether via impeachment or voted out, I can’t wait to find out what criminal charges are pressed against him the millisecond he’s no longer a sitting down president. :D


Probably no charges at all, at least on the federal level.


:lol:

Based on what alternative facts?

:lol:

There are still at least 17 different investigations going on into trump & his businesses. The chances of their being no criminal offences he’ll be charged with are slim, IMO.


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03 Jan 2020, 9:08 am

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kokopelli wrote:
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Whether via impeachment or voted out, I can’t wait to find out what criminal charges are pressed against him the millisecond he’s no longer a sitting down president. :D


Probably no charges at all, at least on the federal level.


:lol:

Based on what alternative facts?

:lol:

There are still at least 17 different investigations going on into trump & his businesses. The chances of their being no criminal offences he’ll be charged with are slim, IMO.


The next President will be likely to issue a pardon in order to smooth things over. Of course, the pardon only applies to federal matters.



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03 Jan 2020, 9:38 am

kokopelli wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
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Whether via impeachment or voted out, I can’t wait to find out what criminal charges are pressed against him the millisecond he’s no longer a sitting down president. :D


Probably no charges at all, at least on the federal level.


:lol:

Based on what alternative facts?

:lol:

There are still at least 17 different investigations going on into trump & his businesses. The chances of their being no criminal offences he’ll be charged with are slim, IMO.


The next President will be likely to issue a pardon in order to smooth things over. Of course, the pardon only applies to federal matters.


I understand the criminal brotherhood of the republican party, but why on Earth would a Democrat President pardon trump? :?


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03 Jan 2020, 9:39 am

Perhaps for the same reasons Ford pardoned Nixon.

Though I don't believe there's as strong of a case for a pardon of Trump.