[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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Thanks! I wasn’t sure if it had been commented on or not already, so I didn’t post a link.

I will say one thing.

This wouldnt have happened if it Netanyahu hadnt pursued policies that deliberately favored HAMAS over the PLO...he purposely choose to beef up the nastier faction to purposely sabotage peace.

And surprise! He got the enemy he wanted. And...well...apparently the war that he wanted.

The blood of both Israeli children and Palestinian children are largely on Netanyahu's hands.

True.
He probably ignored warnings of the intelligence on purpose, expecting just another primitive rocket attack that the Iron Dome would manage while it would give Bibi the political point he wanted (don't forget the mass protests against his policies preceding all this).

As the effect, we're having the worst slaughter in this generations-long war.

That does not make Hamas any less horrible but a lot could have been done to prevent all this and it wasn't done.

The shooting at the Nova festival.... Shouldn't have happened. It was a horrifying tragedy.

But like... See the double standard here? 200 Israelis killed, and the whole world is calling it a slaughter. Israel kills more than twice that many Palestinians in an average year, and the world applauds. People see piles of Arab bodies and immediately try to rationalize it. "Well, they started it..." Or "They don't even value their own lives, sooo..." Western media loves victim-blaming dead POC.

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My issue is with the brutality that's occurred over the past few days by Hamas and IDF. Attacking civilians, taking hostages, etc. is never justified in my opinion.

Hamas is a terrorist organization.

And they don't care for their own civilians.

PLO has no real power. Hamas is terrorist. Palestinians who just want to live have no one to represent them. And they are the ones taking the worst of it.

Hamas are terrorists, in my opinion anything related to Muslim Brotherhood is terrorist or sponsoring terrorism.

But their political bloc has a lot of elected representatives, so they do also represent many Palestinians; so people are also accountable for Hamas’s rise to power.

Not to forget that “Palestine” is actually split into two different entities; they butchered each other in 2006z

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah–Hamas_conflict
With a world of difference between the two ideologies.

It's an old tactic used by every terrorist militia in history. Launch an attack and then meld back into the civilian population.

There are attempts by the media to portray HAMAS as some type of evil overlord in Gaza and the Palestinian population as innocent bystanders with no control or responsibility for HAMAS. The proof of the pudding is
a) the refusal of a single Palestinian overseas to comment/condemn on the HAMAS atrocities
b) the refusal of a single Palestinian overseas to comment/condemn on the kidnapped (including foreigners)
c) the apparent universal celebration on the streets of every major western city by expatriate and settled Palestinians and muslim Arabs immediately following HAMAS terrorist attack

When this is over with, Israel should run a campaign to eradicate Hamas from the hearts and minds of the people of Gaza, very much as the Allies had done with De-Nazifying Germany after WWII.

It would help if they also educate Palestinians living oveaseas as well

They have not been the sole problem. Israel is very far from being above reproach.

Israel has always been surrounded by enemies from the inception of the state of Israel in 1948. You need to look at the conflict from a historical perspective whereby the newly emerged settler state of Israel who were largely unarmed (made up of Kibbutz settlers and refugees from WWII) were no match for the armies of Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestinian militia and had to fight literally for their lives against impossible odds. It was sheer determination and a desire to maintain safety for their children that lead to the development of the IDF and Mossad. The post-WWII Palestinians had been pro-Nazi (google it) and the population were brainwashed to be antisemitic. The manifesto of the PLO had always been to drive the Jews into the sea. For the Arab league led by Egypt's president Nasser it was simply an opportunity to grab land and expand their borders.

It is totally understandable why the IDF choose to follow a policy that pro-active militarily against the Palestinian population. It is learned from historic lessons that the state of Israel cannot let their guard down otherwise they will be vulnerable, And it's happened again and again. It is totally understandable why the Israelis have so little trust of the Palestinians.

Don't tell me how I "need to look" at this situation. I can look at it any way I damn well please. Israel is not entirely innocent from a historical perspective, especially in their treatment of Palestine. History does NOT excuse using white phosphorous or attacking civilians and the media.

Also concerning:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-08-08/

Everyone involved in this situation is being an a**hole. It's more complex than good guys vs. bad guys.

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Ex HAMAS leader calls for world-wide global day of Jihad in retaliation of israel's offensive in Gaza
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-10-11/
"In response, some police authorities in US cities, including New York and Los Angeles, announced that they plan to boost officer numbers to counter any potential violence. Some schools in the US and in the UK have closed due to concerns about “an international day of rage ” or “out of an abundance of caution.”

I would exercise caution going out today to sites which attract lots of tourists

There's no civilian casualties if you define all the civilians as combatants.