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23 Mar 2020, 5:19 pm

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Hopefully our PM will be informed of this or something like it soon: he does seem to be showing the capacity to change course when confronted with relevant data.

He just did - the UK is now officially locked-down... The Guardian: Boris Johnson orders UK lockdown...


Yep, watched it on telly.

And spent the intervening hour and a half dealing with my enraged brother who is planning to flout it and go to work gardening anyway :roll:

Whilst also ranting about the country being full of selfish morons who won’t do what they’re told! :lol:


While being totally oblivious to his hypocrisy. :lmao:
Do you care to share his age group? 8O



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23 Mar 2020, 5:24 pm

Pepe wrote:
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Hopefully our PM will be informed of this or something like it soon: he does seem to be showing the capacity to change course when confronted with relevant data.

He just did - the UK is now officially locked-down... The Guardian: Boris Johnson orders UK lockdown...


Yep, watched it on telly.

And spent the intervening hour and a half dealing with my enraged brother who is planning to flout it and go to work gardening anyway :roll:

Whilst also ranting about the country being full of selfish morons who won’t do what they’re told! :lol:


While being totally oblivious to his hypocrisy. :lmao:
Do you care to share his age group? 8O


He’s old enough to be a father, but young enough to not remember John Major being PM.



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23 Mar 2020, 5:25 pm

Utah Rep. Ben McAdams hospitalized after testing positive for coronavirus

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Utah Rep. Ben McAdams, who was the second member of Congress to announce a positive test for the novel coronavirus, was hospitalized Friday evening after experiencing "severe shortness of breath."

McAdams said in a statement Sunday night that he followed public health guidelines by calling the COVID-19 hotline as soon as he started experiencing worsening symptoms -- he was then instructed to go to a hospital where he was admitted.

"I have been receiving oxygen as I struggled to maintain my blood oxygen at appropriate levels," he said.

McAdams said his experience shows him "how critical it is to follow the advice of the CDC and the Utah Department of Health in order to stop the spread of this virus."

The lawmaker announced that he tested positive on Wednesday, March 18 -- just an hour after Florida Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart told the public he too had been infected with the COVID-19 virus.

In an interview with ABC News' Amy Robach on Friday, McAdams said he was not feeling up to par.

"It feels like I've got a belt around my chest that's tightened up. I can't take [a] full breath.” McAdams said. "The muscles in my torso are sore, so when I cough, I feel pain."

He said his temperature was 102 degrees on Thursday night and he was experiencing a fever and breathing difficulties.


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23 Mar 2020, 5:26 pm

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You might even say she was volunteering for the war effort!

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23 Mar 2020, 5:29 pm

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Promising.



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23 Mar 2020, 5:30 pm

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They can't suppress that data.


They can suppress it temporarily, and it can be under-reported for many reasons. For example, growing evidence suggests that Russia was either not testing, or testing incorrectly. North Korea has a long history of lying and covering up information. In countries with corrupt governments or poorly run health services, we have no idea if the reported numbers are accurate. It can take time for the truth to come out.

"In South Korea, analysts and medical experts are highly sceptical of Pyongyang's claims - and those with sources in North Korea said the virus is already ravaging its way through the country."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/ ... 28072.html

"Russia, which has a population of 144 million, has reported just 199 coronavirus cases and some doctors have questioned how far the official data reflects reality, given what they say is the patchy nature and quality of testing.

A sharp spike in pneumonia cases in Moscow, Russia's biggest transport hub and a city with a population of around 13 million, has further raised doubts.

"I have a feeling they (the authorities) are lying to us," said Anastasia Vasilyeva, head of Russia's Doctor’s Alliance trade union."

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03 ... ussia.html

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If the propagation of the virus is identical in Italy as in Africa, you would be seeing the same situation in Africa. Look at the video. How are you going to suppress this data? Warm weather helps. Period. Coronavirus has been out there for about 3 months. And Africa in a sense is China's backyard.


You're drawing an analogy between Italy and Africa? Is this a joke?

Italy is a MAJOR tourist destination. They have way more travelers than the African countries.

Of course Italy is going to be hit harder and sooner than Africa. It has one of the biggest tourism industries in the world!

There are many reasons why countries can be hit differently, as I said before:

Population density, tourism/ travel industries, government aid, amount of people tested, quality of testing, young vs. elderly population, quality of health services, living conditions, cultural behavior (including religion), social distancing, preventative measures (including masks & hygiene), amount of doctors and healthcare workers, medical technology/ equipment, amount of hospitals, job industries, wealth per capita, and more.

In an earlier post, you tried to imply that warm weather will prevent some countries from being affected. There is no evidence that warm weather can stop COVID-19 from spreading in Africa and other hot climate areas. You never provided sufficient evidence. Everywhere people travel in this world, the virus can travel with them.

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As your assertion that a virus can target rich countries, I really don't know of any "smart-virus" out there that can tell whether it's in a rich country or in a poor country.


Are you trolling? Do you seriously not understand that I was using SARCASM?

Wealthy countries typically have a great amount of travelers, tourism, business, trade, densely populated cities, and other factors that make them vulnerable to contagious diseases.

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But I can point it out to you why Caucasian-dominant countries are hit hard by this virus: masks. Caucasian-dominant countries hate to see people wearing masks. It's just not part of their culture. (Chinese people travel as much or more than Western people, so it's not about traveling.) Do you know an average person touches their own face over 90 times in a day? That's how people get infected by COVID-19 virus. Caucasians, being averse to wearing masks, get infected much more easily than people in East Asian countries, where people are used to wearing masks. In fact, in East Asia, even before COVID-19, some people wear masks for no apparent reasons. They have been doing "social distancing" for decades. It doesn't mean mask-wearers are not friendly people: most of them are. But they just want to be left alone, unless you really have something to talk to them about.


Why do you think I bought N95 masks back in late January? Just to keep them in my basement collecting dust for nine months until I dress up as a doctor for Halloween?

Dude, you're arguing with the wrong person. I have always AGREED that masks are helpful! I have never written one post in this entire thread that disagreed with wearing masks.



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23 Mar 2020, 5:36 pm

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the person who posted me this article was in South Africa in January, they got a cold, just a runny nose at first but it didn't go away, it moved down to his chest and for the first time in his life he was wheezing for two weeks. The runny nose stopped but he lost his sense of smell for a while, which I believe is one of the symptoms. He said he was really ill and believes he may have already had the virus, way back then. :shrug:


I don't think he had a "cold".
Probably the flu.
Who knows if it was actually coronavirus.

When I get the flu, it can take 6 weeks to get over the cough.



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23 Mar 2020, 5:43 pm

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Forward from NHS nurse who’s sister is one of my wife’s customers wrote:
At The Princess of Wales hospital. NHS staff have been sent this:

This is the advice given to hospital staff.
It explains the virus and hopefully, how to prevent getting it.
Please share with family, friends and work colleagues.

Virus Detection:

The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.

Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection. It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.

Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day. These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.
Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes.

Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.

For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun's UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you.
The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
If an infected person sneezes nearby, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
Washing your hands is essential.
The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
Disinfect things touched often: mobile phone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etc ....

Sent in to us just now and we wanted to share this knowledge & advice with you all.

Please do the same and take care!


This is good information. I wonder how accurate it is? I've heard up to three days for viability on surfaces.



The more I think about it, the more this info seems inaccurate in certain respects. It says the virus hates heat and dies at 80 degrees Fahrenheit? Why can it thrive inside a human with a temp of 98.6 degrees or higher? Maybe I'm missing something.



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23 Mar 2020, 5:45 pm

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The figures in the article are hypothetical but the example of South Korea is not. They did the "hammer" part: agressive testing, tracing and isolating; they are doing the "dance" part: adjusting partial restrictions to the situation.


Axiomatic, to me, that governments have to be flexible with the unknown, and changing conditions.
I'm wondering if the PM should take off the restrictions on non-essential businesses and focus more on the recalcitrant young people endangering lives, who flaunt social distancing recommendations.

Send them all to Tasmania, I say.
It was a penal colony, initially, after all. :mrgreen:



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23 Mar 2020, 5:48 pm

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We are staying put for two weeks. And two weeks is enough.

I am not going to catch the virus from anyone because I am in isolation.

Most of us who are at risk are retired and or housebound. Us staying put for a month or more is no real sacrifice. I


Agreed.



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23 Mar 2020, 5:48 pm

COVID-19 is thriving in warm climes, the only issue in cold temperature is that people's immune systems are already fighting winter flu which makes them even more susceptible to COVID-19 and therefore more likely to be symptomatic



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23 Mar 2020, 5:49 pm

My nephew is officially leaving Australia. :(

He will have to quarantine here in an AirBnb.


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23 Mar 2020, 5:51 pm

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I know you're isolated and I'm glad you are being safe. My loved ones are very compromised as well.

It's the idiots who go out defying rules right now, who are going to collapse the world economy. :(

Most of the selfish bastards are young people who aren't as responsible as Ezras.



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23 Mar 2020, 5:52 pm

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My nephew is officially leaving Australia. :(

He will have to quarantine here in an AirBnb.


He'd better hurry as we just applied a travel ban



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23 Mar 2020, 5:55 pm

Relief has arrived!

Tito's Handmade Vodka set to begin production on hand sanitizer

AUSTIN, Texas - While Tito's Handmade Vodka is still advising people to not use its standard vodka product as hand sanitizer, the company says its distillery is set to begin production on making actual hand sanitizer that adheres to industry and government guidelines.


https://www.fox4news.com/news/titos-han ... -sanitizer


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23 Mar 2020, 5:58 pm

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My nephew is officially leaving Australia. :(

He will have to quarantine here in an AirBnb.


He'd better hurry as we just applied a travel ban


JFC I give up. The plan keeps changing. I'll see if he has his ticket.

Thanks. :(


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