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08 Sep 2019, 10:36 pm

The cost of housing is ridiculously high. That is a basic necessity I think there should be more stringent regulation over.



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08 Sep 2019, 11:02 pm

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So what constitutes a "living wage" and what companies, that are usually always hiring, aren't paying it?


What constitutes a living wage?

That's a reasonable question.

Here is my answer.

The person is able to everything that is necessary to live within our society and be able to meet the inherent requirements of it. They're able to afford food, shelter, (especially since employers require a physical address) transportation (or public transportation), cell phones (since employers require a phone number) and the internet or being able to afford to go to the library to be able to use the internet (Having more computers there at the library so more people can use them since employers require resumes to be submitted online.)

And, enough of a wage that will enable people to pay their medical bills since it is required for all of us to be healthy to be employed. Finally, enough money to be able to invest so we can advance in our careers or if the industry takes a dive we can be able to save up enough so we're able to switch easily.

Let's not forget being able to invest and save for ourselves and our children.

That to me is a living wage.



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08 Sep 2019, 11:09 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
So what constitutes a "living wage" and what companies, that are usually always hiring, aren't paying it?


What constitutes a living wage?

That's a reasonable question.

Here is my answer.

The person is able to everything that is necessary to live within our society and be able to meet the inherent requirements of it. They're able to afford food, shelter, (especially since employers require a physical address) transportation (or public transportation), cell phones (since employers require a phone number) and the internet or being able to afford to go to the library to be able to use the internet (Having more computers there at the library so more people can use them since employers require resumes to be submitted online.)

And, enough of a wage that will enable people to pay their medical bills since it is required for all of us to be healthy to be employed. Finally, enough money to be able to invest so we can advance in our careers or if the industry takes a dive we can be able to save up enough so we're able to switch easily.

Let's not forget being able to invest and save for ourselves and our children.

That to me is a living wage.


What does that come out to in dollars per hour?



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08 Sep 2019, 11:30 pm

EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
So what constitutes a "living wage" and what companies, that are usually always hiring, aren't paying it?


What constitutes a living wage?

That's a reasonable question.

Here is my answer.

The person is able to everything that is necessary to live within our society and be able to meet the inherent requirements of it. They're able to afford food, shelter, (especially since employers require a physical address) transportation (or public transportation), cell phones (since employers require a phone number) and the internet or being able to afford to go to the library to be able to use the internet (Having more computers there at the library so more people can use them since employers require resumes to be submitted online.)

And, enough of a wage that will enable people to pay their medical bills since it is required for all of us to be healthy to be employed. Finally, enough money to be able to invest so we can advance in our careers or if the industry takes a dive we can be able to save up enough so we're able to switch easily.

Let's not forget being able to invest and save for ourselves and our children.

That to me is a living wage.


What does that come out to in dollars per hour?


I don't know how to obtain the info to calculate a specific numerical answer. All I can do is give the parameters needed to live, function and do well in our society which I gave.



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09 Sep 2019, 12:51 am

I keep hearing there needs to be a living wage paid, but not what that is supposed to be in dollars or what major employers are not paying it.



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09 Sep 2019, 1:17 am

The fact that American workers are falling behind while corporate profits are blasphemously high tells us said workers are being denied more and more of a living wage. And as corporations are hardly hurting for money, I think it's more than fair to call big business out for greed at the expense of the rest of us.


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09 Sep 2019, 1:22 am

EzraS wrote:
The cost of housing is ridiculously high. That is a basic necessity I think there should be more stringent regulation over.


One could argue the regulation of housing is why it costs so much.


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Maybe it is not the wage that is so much the problem as housing prices. I mean my boyfriend works full time and I have a part time job + ssi disability money. yet its a bit of a struggle to even afford a one bedroom apartment. Granted its not a bad place we even have a little loft area so its kind of like an additional room.


I afford a one bedroom easily on a grad student stipend, I suspect this is an area dependent problem. If I recall you're from Colorado where housing is doing its best California impression.


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09 Sep 2019, 1:38 am

EzraS wrote:
I keep hearing there needs to be a living wage paid, but not what that is supposed to be in dollars or what major employers are not paying it.


It is a fair question for my side. Next time though, please make sure you're specific and concrete with what you're asking for. If you desire a numerical value in dollars then please say that the first time. Not everyone will interpret your request in the same way you intended.

I may have an answer or a way to come up with a national living wage. The answer in dollar amounts depends upon what area we live.

Here is an example of dollar amounts of the living wage. Look at Fulton County Ga. It is one of the counties in the city of Atlanta.

http://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/13121

Now, if we want a national living wage and assuming it includes all of what it says it includes then I would would take all the county living wages MIT comes up with and obtain the average. Whatever the average of the numerical score is should be our living wage in dollar amounts. If anyone wants to take a wack at doing the average of all of these counties in the differing states they can.

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Actually they do have it by state.

http://livingwage.mit.edu/states/13



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09 Sep 2019, 1:46 am

EzraS wrote:
The cost of housing is ridiculously high. That is a basic necessity I think there should be more stringent regulation over.


I got to wonder why is it so ridiculously high? What is causing housing prices and apartment prices to be so high?



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09 Sep 2019, 2:21 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I keep hearing there needs to be a living wage paid, but not what that is supposed to be in dollars or what major employers are not paying it.


It is a fair question for my side. Next time though, please make sure you're specific and concrete with what you're asking for. If you desire a numerical value in dollars then please say that the first time. Not everyone will interpret your request in the same way you intended.


Your side as you put it usually avoids giving a direct answer to a direct question, so I usually have to try extracting one in stages.



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09 Sep 2019, 2:43 am

EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I keep hearing there needs to be a living wage paid, but not what that is supposed to be in dollars or what major employers are not paying it.


It is a fair question for my side. Next time though, please make sure you're specific and concrete with what you're asking for. If you desire a numerical value in dollars then please say that the first time. Not everyone will interpret your request in the same way you intended.


Your side as you put it usually avoids giving a direct answer to a direct question, so I usually have to try extracting one in stages.


Ok Ezra, I've spoken to other conservatives who state the same thing. I don't know about others but I've been accused of this by those on your side (conservatives) when I have not. I will say this. Those on the conservative usually want a yes or no simplistic answer when the answer is sometimes not that simplistic.

Just b/c it is not an answer you would expect or looking for doesn't mean it is not an answer. Personally, I'm not lying, evading or attempting to be deceptive in any way.

I think part of the problem is that libs and cons have two different thinking styles and we're talking past each other. For one, cons have problems when it comes to grey areas and seem to have this us vs. them mentality.



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09 Sep 2019, 3:15 am

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And I'll be sure to pass along my sympathies to current sufferers of Leukemia by telling them to take heart! They may die, but 50 years from now there will be enough mixed race donors on the registry so others can live. Science should have foreseen this dilemma and kept up, not having a way to support mixed race Leukemia patients is unacceptable.


I think this is a cheap shot aimed at criticising couples who choose to be in a mixed race relationship. The incidence of Leukaemia is not significant but as I said the bone marrow registry will get more donations from mixed race people over time, for example Caucasian/Asian and Caucasian/African American donors are growing, it's just a question of time.

I am not against pockets of purists wanting to keep their racial purity. I have said that the entire eastern Europe, Russia, Scandanavia and Alaska can become "blonde zones" as their phenotype is adapted to this miserable cold environment. So no worries, there'll be plenty of pure "aryans" to keep you happy.



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09 Sep 2019, 3:18 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
I think part of the problem is that libs and cons have two different thinking styles and we're talking past each other. For one, cons have problems when it comes to grey areas and seem to have this us vs. them mentality.


The cons accuse us of the same thing. It's like Trump being accused of being racist, he just turns around and says "no you are"....then accuses the press of "fake news" when he makes a "cock up" on twitter



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09 Sep 2019, 3:37 am

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The fact that American workers are falling behind while corporate profits are blasphemously high tells us said workers are being denied more and more of a living wage. And as corporations are hardly hurting for money, I think it's more than fair to call big business out for greed at the expense of the rest of us.


Could you be more specific on those points?



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09 Sep 2019, 4:08 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The fact that American workers are falling behind while corporate profits are blasphemously high tells us said workers are being denied more and more of a living wage. And as corporations are hardly hurting for money, I think it's more than fair to call big business out for greed at the expense of the rest of us.


Could you be more specific on those points?


I thought that was pretty self explanatory what I wrote. My dad was able to buy a house and provide my mom and me with a comfortable, middle class existence working at an aluminum plant. After he passed away, the company had been purchased by an Australian businessman who was infamous for his ruthless union busting. The medical benefits that had been promised to my mom and the spouses of other retirees were suddenly withdrawn, and retirees and surviving spouses had to seek help from ARP. This can not be explained as anything other than corporate greed at the expense of workers and their surviving family members who promises had been made to.


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09 Sep 2019, 4:23 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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The fact that American workers are falling behind while corporate profits are blasphemously high tells us said workers are being denied more and more of a living wage. And as corporations are hardly hurting for money, I think it's more than fair to call big business out for greed at the expense of the rest of us.


Could you be more specific on those points?


I thought that was pretty self explanatory what I wrote. My dad was able to buy a house and provide my mom and me with a comfortable, middle class existence working at an aluminum plant. After he passed away, the company had been purchased by an Australian businessman who was infamous for his ruthless union busting. The medical benefits that had been promised to my mom and the spouses of other retirees were suddenly withdrawn, and retirees and surviving spouses had to seek help from ARP. This can not be explained as anything other than corporate greed at the expense of workers and their surviving family members who promises had been made to.


You went from a generalized statement to an extremely specific incident. The details of which no one is able to examine.