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04 Oct 2017, 3:20 pm

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I'm more interested in facts than speculation. ... Maybe his only agenda was to kill and that's it. ... Sometimes there is no explanation except they were evil twisted folks.

I AGREE----but, like I said, I think it's fun to analyze, and consider other angles; if that's not your bag, that's cool.....







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04 Oct 2017, 3:28 pm

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I'm more interested in facts than speculation. ... Maybe his only agenda was to kill and that's it. ... Sometimes there is no explanation except they were evil twisted folks.

I AGREE----but, like I said, I think it's fun to analyze, and consider other angles; if that's not your bag, that's cool.....


I'm the same. Unforturnately, the Left has a name for that - Conspiracy Theorist.

I embrace that name wholeheartedly! :mrgreen:


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04 Oct 2017, 3:29 pm

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I'm the same. Unforturnately, the Left has a name for that - Conspiracy Theorist.

I embrace that name wholeheartedly! :mrgreen:


Hey, they have their own conspiracy theories and are regularly posted within this very forum.



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04 Oct 2017, 3:31 pm

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I think this was important enough to question her immediately...

I AGREE----in-fact, I think they should've TOTALLY caught her off-guard, and flown to the friggin' Philippines, to question her; but, I'm guessing that's not the proper procedure for someone who is only "a person of interest".








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04 Oct 2017, 3:38 pm

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nurseangela wrote:
I'm the same. Unforturnately, the Left has a name for that - Conspiracy Theorist.

I embrace that name wholeheartedly! :mrgreen:


Hey, they have their own conspiracy theories and are regularly posted within this very forum.


Not to rehash crap, but they will never convince me that Scalia wasn't murdered. :mrgreen: That was an interesting thread, but I was just seen as a nutcase. :roll: I still stand behind anything I said in that thread. I'm proud of being Miss Conspiracy Theory and being able to think outside of the box. Some theories have been proven. My Motto: Never trust the government.


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04 Oct 2017, 4:08 pm

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You know what pisses me off is how these people like this gal get with these nutcases but then she is totally innocent when the s**t hits the fan. You don't just get all of the benefits of his money - you also have to take some of the responsibility when he goes nuts. You don't live with someone like this guy for several years and not know anything of what he was planning. Total BS. Now I'm just getting mad.

Well, I definitely see what you're saying----and, have thought the very same thing, in other cases (ie, Bernie Made-off with everybody's money's wife)----but, here's another interesting tidbit, I found:

NBC News wrote:
A former boyfriend of one of the sisters, Adam Le Fevre, told NBC News that Danley had two previous marriages — one to a boxer in Australia, and the other to an American — before meeting Paddock in a casino.

Le Fevre said that Danley, a Catholic devoted to her family, was “very different” than Paddock, a methodical casino gambler who used algorithms and spreadsheets.

"She's not very confident,” Le Fevre said. “She had a little Subaru Forester and she would go three blocks out of her way so she didn't have to turn left or cross a big intersection."

"I wouldn't say [their relationship] was lovey dovey," he speculated. "It always seemed to be to be one of convenience."

Le Fevre said Paddock shared with him how he was a success at gambling, saying he would operate with "a pool of money, $1.5 million."

"He would gamble for hours, come home, take a nap and then go back. I'd say ‘How did it go?’ and he would say ‘I just dropped 20 grand’ or ‘I’m up 86 grand.’ He approached it like a business."

Le Fevre described the shooter as “a very reserved and nonemotive person."

"His investments, his gambling were done with military precision,” Le Favre added.

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Separately, a worker at a Starbucks in Mesquite told The Los Angeles Times that she and her colleagues winced whenever the couple came in because Paddock would frequently berate his much shorter partner in public.

"He was so rude to her in front of us," Esperanza Mendoza, the store's supervisor, told the newspaper. "He would glare down at her and say — with a mean attitude — ‘You don’t need my casino card for this. I’m paying for your drink, just like I’m paying for you.’ Then she would softly say, ‘OK,’ and step back behind him."

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Danley “probably was even [more] shocked than us because she is … closer to him than us. To be able to find out the person you love and live with can do such a thing. And you thought you knew the person yourself.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooter-sent-girlfriend-marilou-danley-away-spare-her-n807341

Paddock "barking" at her, and the sister's ex saying that she wasn't very confident seems to OTOH, put a little dent in SH90's theory about her, maybe, also being involved with some kind of plot, that also included ISIS----OTOH, a meek / shy lil' person is often the VERY person who gets taken advantage of, by someone like ISIS, and what might've been a domineering boyfriend (he might've said: "Go talk to those people [ISIS], and see what's in it for me", or whatever).

Also, maybe this scene in the Starbucks was indicative of even MORE / more extensive abuse, and we have all seen women, who have been abused, who don't leave men, because the women love them----and, if nothin' else, it's often difficult to see the forest, for the trees. Like one of her sisters was saying about her being "even more shocked than us"----from what I know of these situations, an abused person needs to be totally out of a situation, for them to start "accepting" the signs (they, often, have SEEN the signs, before); she may not, really, have any good information, until MONTHS from now, maybe, cuz she has to wait for the shock of the killings to wear-off, TOO (let-alone, if she comes to the realization that she was abused / manipulated / whatever)----so, I don't know that I would pin the "when he goes nuts"-responsibility on her.

Also----and, I hope I don't hurt SH90, in saying this (or any other person of Asian descent)----alot of Asian women have the reputation for being "obedient" (minding "their man"); that's why, IMO, some Americans marry them, cuz their wife won't back-talk them (aside from the fact that they can be GORGEOUS).





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04 Oct 2017, 4:21 pm

They said she came voluntarily and the interview is voluntary. She is still just a person of interest and can come and go when she pleases. Give me a f'n break already! If it was you or I, our asses would be in jail!


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04 Oct 2017, 4:23 pm

WILD guess here.

The Phillipines is mostly Roman Catholic (a legacy of centuries of Spanish rule), but the big southern island of Mindanao is populated by the Islamic Moro ethnic group. And there is a "Moro Islamic Liberation Front" that is fighting for independence in the south.

If his Phillipino girlfriend was a Moro from the southern island then she might be of Muslim background, and might be jihadist, and might have influenced him to be an ISIS sympathizer.

Going out on a limb.

But has anyone heard anything about what part of the Phillipines she came from?



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04 Oct 2017, 4:27 pm

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WILD guess here.

The Phillipines is mostly Roman Catholic (a legacy of centuries of Spanish rule), but the big southern island of Mindanao is populated by the Islamic Moro ethnic group. And there is a "Moro Islamic Liberation Front" that is fighting for independence in the south.

If his Phillipino girlfriend was a Moro from the southern island then she might be of Muslim background, and might be jihadist, and might have influenced him to be an ISIS sympathizer.

Going out on a limb.

But has anyone heard anything about what part of the Phillipines she came from?


I'm starting to like your line of thinking. :mrgreen: SH90 might know.


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04 Oct 2017, 4:36 pm

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naturalplastic wrote:
WILD guess here.

The Phillipines is mostly Roman Catholic (a legacy of centuries of Spanish rule), but the big southern island of Mindanao is populated by the Islamic Moro ethnic group. And there is a "Moro Islamic Liberation Front" that is fighting for independence in the south.

If his Phillipino girlfriend was a Moro from the southern island then she might be of Muslim background, and might be jihadist, and might have influenced him to be an ISIS sympathizer.

Going out on a limb.

But has anyone heard anything about what part of the Phillipines she came from?


I'm starting to like your line of thinking. :mrgreen: SH90 might know.


Jackass would be on his way to getting those 70 virgins too since he did commit suicide. That's why I want to see what is in that damn note.


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04 Oct 2017, 4:45 pm

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I have heard tonight a discussion with a professional who has worked in counter-terrorism for years, and he has a very different theory from the default reasons typically given.

He offers the theory that this was no mentally-ill-spree-rampage. It was a rampage, yes, but the rampage was a means to an end, not the overall objective. So what was the overall objective?

In his view, the end goal was a a political one, and the rampage itself was a political act to achieve a political goal beyond the killings. He thinks that Stephen Paddock could have been motivated quite consciously, in the hope that a massacre on this scale would finally force politicians of both sides to stop taking payoffs from the NRA and start acting to rein in the spread of more and more deadly weapons. He was an older man who had watched both liberal and republican representatives enable the proliferation of weaponry throughout his life, and chose a desperate strategy to enact while he still had time. Sprees like Sandy Hook and others like it may have been the last straw, and planning began some time after that, when it became obvious that despite all the words, nothing was going to change.

Outside the box thinking by the counter terrorist expert? Yes. Possible? Yes. Accurate? We will never really know. But it persuades me more than the default mental illness trope has.

Will things change now? Probably not, given the money trail. Politicians on both sides (he said) take NRA bribes.


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04 Oct 2017, 4:52 pm

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WILD guess here.

The Phillipines is mostly Roman Catholic (a legacy of centuries of Spanish rule), but the big southern island of Mindanao is populated by the Islamic Moro ethnic group. And there is a "Moro Islamic Liberation Front" that is fighting for independence in the south.

If his Phillipino girlfriend was a Moro from the southern island then she might be of Muslim background, and might be jihadist, and might have influenced him to be an ISIS sympathizer.

Going out on a limb.

But has anyone heard anything about what part of the Phillipines she came from?


Nothing in that regard, but the gunman basically financed that psychopath president they have up there.


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04 Oct 2017, 4:54 pm

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http://lombardlaw.com/firm-overview/

Oh, brother!! With terms, like: "white-collar crimes, international extradition agreements, passport and social security fraud, alien smuggling, In addition to negotiating pre-indictment and post-indictment pleas, complex wire fraud, money laundering, and Conrad Murray"----was it really necessary for you to open THAT can of worms?!?!? LOL (wink) We'll be here for DAYS dreamin'-up stuff, about what that could mean (getting this particular lawyer)----cuz, if nothin' else, how'd she know to go to HIM----maybe because the ol' boy (her boyfriend) had been to him, himself? Things that make ya go "Hmmm.....".




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04 Oct 2017, 5:03 pm

teh US probs wont amend the gun laws but most shootings come from mentally ill or disturbed people who have been failed by the healthcare system which is controlled by the government/president, but he's safe in his white house or island in the pacific and able to afford anything he wants let alone care about mental illnesses



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04 Oct 2017, 5:28 pm

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She's in the 4th hour of the interview.

My question is was she forced to return or did she come back voluntarily?

Well, my FIRST thought, upon reading this, was "If they hada forced her, I'm thinking she would've had to leave / arrive here, IMMEDIATELY"----but, on second thought, it was really only, like, a day-and-a-half (from Monday morning, when the news broke, 'til yesterday night); and, even though I'm thinking there are probably daily flights to LA, I'm thinking one could argue that they were full, maybe.

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The girlfriend of Las Vegas attacker Stephen Paddock told family she had a "clean conscience" ahead of her expected questioning Wednesday at the FBI's Los Angeles field office.

I called her up immediately and she said, 'Relax, we shouldn't worry about it. I'll fix it. Do not panic. I have a clean conscience,'" her bother, Reynaldo Bustos, told ABC News.

MAN, would I LOVE to have heard her say this, to hear her tone-of-voice----cuz, the words, alone, could say a couple of different things..... She coulda just been totally innocent, and trying to reassure her brother that everything would, indeed, be okay----BUT, her tone-of-voice could've ALSO been that of someone who was "scheming"; like, when she said "I'll fix it", she coulda meant "I'll just tell them what they wanna hear - they won't know any different".

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You're right, her family is in Australia.

Oh, okay----GOOD----I'm glad you found that out / posted it, cuz that's ONE less thing we have to figure-out!! LOL That still leaves the question, though, of the woman (or, women) who were goin'-around tellin' people that they were all gonna die.




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04 Oct 2017, 5:41 pm

"Bump Stocks" were legalized during the Obama Administration. Interesting.

Now they want to make them illegal.


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