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09 Sep 2019, 4:58 am

EzraS wrote:
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The fact that American workers are falling behind while corporate profits are blasphemously high tells us said workers are being denied more and more of a living wage. And as corporations are hardly hurting for money, I think it's more than fair to call big business out for greed at the expense of the rest of us.


Could you be more specific on those points?


I thought that was pretty self explanatory what I wrote. My dad was able to buy a house and provide my mom and me with a comfortable, middle class existence working at an aluminum plant. After he passed away, the company had been purchased by an Australian businessman who was infamous for his ruthless union busting. The medical benefits that had been promised to my mom and the spouses of other retirees were suddenly withdrawn, and retirees and surviving spouses had to seek help from ARP. This can not be explained as anything other than corporate greed at the expense of workers and their surviving family members who promises had been made to.


You went from a generalized statement to an extremely specific incident. The details of which no one is able to examine.


Well, I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.


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09 Sep 2019, 5:04 am

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And I'll be sure to pass along my sympathies to current sufferers of Leukemia by telling them to take heart! They may die, but 50 years from now there will be enough mixed race donors on the registry so others can live. Science should have foreseen this dilemma and kept up, not having a way to support mixed race Leukemia patients is unacceptable.


I think this is a cheap shot aimed at criticising couples who choose to be in a mixed race relationship. The incidence of Leukaemia is not significant but as I said the bone marrow registry will get more donations from mixed race people over time, for example Caucasian/Asian and Caucasian/African American donors are growing, it's just a question of time.

I am not against pockets of purists wanting to keep their racial purity. I have said that the entire eastern Europe, Russia, Scandanavia and Alaska can become "blonde zones" as their phenotype is adapted to this miserable cold environment. So no worries, there'll be plenty of pure "aryans" to keep you happy.



Incorrect. Science prides itself on solutions, it should have foreseen this dilemma. As I have stated multiple times before, I am raising a mixed race grandchild. In your estimation, she may not qualify as 'enough' of a mixed race child, as she is only half Irish/half Puerto Rican. But, there's a soft spot in my heart for mixed race kids, as we have a total of 3 in our family. The thoughts that they may not have access to any cure, due to lack of donors is disturbing.


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09 Sep 2019, 5:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The fact that American workers are falling behind while corporate profits are blasphemously high tells us said workers are being denied more and more of a living wage. And as corporations are hardly hurting for money, I think it's more than fair to call big business out for greed at the expense of the rest of us.


Could you be more specific on those points?


I thought that was pretty self explanatory what I wrote. My dad was able to buy a house and provide my mom and me with a comfortable, middle class existence working at an aluminum plant. After he passed away, the company had been purchased by an Australian businessman who was infamous for his ruthless union busting. The medical benefits that had been promised to my mom and the spouses of other retirees were suddenly withdrawn, and retirees and surviving spouses had to seek help from ARP. This can not be explained as anything other than corporate greed at the expense of workers and their surviving family members who promises had been made to.


You went from a generalized statement to an extremely specific incident. The details of which no one is able to examine.


Well, I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.


That hardly provides details to examine. I see statements that do not have any real details that breaks down the situation as whole. Which makes it difficult to tell what is factual from what is simply belief and opinion.



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09 Sep 2019, 5:20 am

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In your estimation, she may not qualify as 'enough' of a mixed race child, as she is only half Irish/half Puerto Rican.


Isn't your daughter/son Greek like you? how is the child half irish and half Puerto Rican?

Also Puerto Ricans consider themselves white Spanish like Aubrey Plaza so is this really mixed?



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09 Sep 2019, 6:04 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The fact that American workers are falling behind while corporate profits are blasphemously high tells us said workers are being denied more and more of a living wage. And as corporations are hardly hurting for money, I think it's more than fair to call big business out for greed at the expense of the rest of us.


Could you be more specific on those points?


I thought that was pretty self explanatory what I wrote. My dad was able to buy a house and provide my mom and me with a comfortable, middle class existence working at an aluminum plant. After he passed away, the company had been purchased by an Australian businessman who was infamous for his ruthless union busting. The medical benefits that had been promised to my mom and the spouses of other retirees were suddenly withdrawn, and retirees and surviving spouses had to seek help from ARP. This can not be explained as anything other than corporate greed at the expense of workers and their surviving family members who promises had been made to.


You went from a generalized statement to an extremely specific incident. The details of which no one is able to examine.


Well, I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.


That hardly provides details to examine. I see statements that do not have any real details that breaks down the situation as whole. Which makes it difficult to tell what is factual from what is simply belief and opinion.


I'm depending on my memory, which people tell me is pretty good. Then again, they may be only humoring me.


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09 Sep 2019, 6:42 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The fact that American workers are falling behind while corporate profits are blasphemously high tells us said workers are being denied more and more of a living wage. And as corporations are hardly hurting for money, I think it's more than fair to call big business out for greed at the expense of the rest of us.


Could you be more specific on those points?


I thought that was pretty self explanatory what I wrote. My dad was able to buy a house and provide my mom and me with a comfortable, middle class existence working at an aluminum plant. After he passed away, the company had been purchased by an Australian businessman who was infamous for his ruthless union busting. The medical benefits that had been promised to my mom and the spouses of other retirees were suddenly withdrawn, and retirees and surviving spouses had to seek help from ARP. This can not be explained as anything other than corporate greed at the expense of workers and their surviving family members who promises had been made to.


You went from a generalized statement to an extremely specific incident. The details of which no one is able to examine.


Well, I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.


That hardly provides details to examine. I see statements that do not have any real details that breaks down the situation as whole. Which makes it difficult to tell what is factual from what is simply belief and opinion.


I'm depending on my memory, which people tell me is pretty good. Then again, they may be only humoring me.


So the entirety of what you write about corporations and a living wage is based solely on events at that aluminium plant.



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09 Sep 2019, 9:36 am

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In your estimation, she may not qualify as 'enough' of a mixed race child, as she is only half Irish/half Puerto Rican.


Isn't your daughter/son Greek like you? how is the child half irish and half Puerto Rican?

Also Puerto Ricans consider themselves white Spanish like Aubrey Plaza so is this really mixed?



One of my daughters is, if you need an explanation, it's my step-granddaughter. But, it makes no difference to me. She's my granddaughter.

That was the comment I expected from you. You be the judge... her dad is Puerto Rican, lives in Puerto Rico, has dark skin and very dark, curly hair. The dark skin won out over the light. So, not sure if that fits your description of mixed. But since they identify as Hispanic, and it's on equality work applications, it's my understanding that she's mixed.


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09 Sep 2019, 1:44 pm

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I keep hearing there needs to be a living wage paid, but not what that is supposed to be in dollars or what major employers are not paying it.


It is a fair question for my side. Next time though, please make sure you're specific and concrete with what you're asking for. If you desire a numerical value in dollars then please say that the first time. Not everyone will interpret your request in the same way you intended.

I may have an answer or a way to come up with a national living wage. The answer in dollar amounts depends upon what area we live.

Here is an example of dollar amounts of the living wage. Look at Fulton County Ga. It is one of the counties in the city of Atlanta.

http://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/13121

Now, if we want a national living wage and assuming it includes all of what it says it includes then I would would take all the county living wages MIT comes up with and obtain the average. Whatever the average of the numerical score is should be our living wage in dollar amounts. If anyone wants to take a wack at doing the average of all of these counties in the differing states they can.

Addendum:

Actually they do have it by state.

http://livingwage.mit.edu/states/13


This linked to Georgia. It says the living wage for 2 adults is $39,904 which averages to $19,952 per person. The only typical annual salary they have falling short of this is food preparation at $19,504, which is $448 shy of the "living wage" or $0.21 cents per hour shy.

A comparison with one adult shows that housing is the main saving cost, so presumably this applies to any 2 adults living together. That is to say one adult living with a roommate would have the same expected costs.

It seems clear to me that full-time jobs pay enough for a single person to live. The question becomes is it necessary for all jobs to pay enough to raise a family. I would argue unequivocally no.

Most higher paying jobs require education or work experience. A person who works full time early in life can expect to have a better job later in life.


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09 Sep 2019, 2:18 pm

It's really about wanting a democrat government that is in charge of wages. Those on the dole want to feel secure that they will remain on it and see an increase of how much the government pays out to them.



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09 Sep 2019, 3:01 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The fact that American workers are falling behind while corporate profits are blasphemously high tells us said workers are being denied more and more of a living wage. And as corporations are hardly hurting for money, I think it's more than fair to call big business out for greed at the expense of the rest of us.


Could you be more specific on those points?


I thought that was pretty self explanatory what I wrote. My dad was able to buy a house and provide my mom and me with a comfortable, middle class existence working at an aluminum plant. After he passed away, the company had been purchased by an Australian businessman who was infamous for his ruthless union busting. The medical benefits that had been promised to my mom and the spouses of other retirees were suddenly withdrawn, and retirees and surviving spouses had to seek help from ARP. This can not be explained as anything other than corporate greed at the expense of workers and their surviving family members who promises had been made to.


You went from a generalized statement to an extremely specific incident. The details of which no one is able to examine.


Well, I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.


That hardly provides details to examine. I see statements that do not have any real details that breaks down the situation as whole. Which makes it difficult to tell what is factual from what is simply belief and opinion.


I'm depending on my memory, which people tell me is pretty good. Then again, they may be only humoring me.


So the entirety of what you write about corporations and a living wage is based solely on events at that aluminium plant.


What happened at Kaiser Aluminum also happened at thousands of other businesses. Even your news sources that are supposed to be non-partisan will agree on that.


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09 Sep 2019, 3:35 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
I thought that was pretty self explanatory what I wrote. My dad was able to buy a house and provide my mom and me with a comfortable, middle class existence working at an aluminum plant. After he passed away, the company had been purchased by an Australian businessman who was infamous for his ruthless union busting. The medical benefits that had been promised to my mom and the spouses of other retirees were suddenly withdrawn, and retirees and surviving spouses had to seek help from ARP. This can not be explained as anything other than corporate greed at the expense of workers and their surviving family members who promises had been made to.

Your parents got lulled into a comfortable, dependent relationship.

It's the same problem as the people in this topic face.

Blame should be on the liberal (union person) who made these false promises and put your parents and the people in this topic in such a bad situation.


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09 Sep 2019, 3:57 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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I thought that was pretty self explanatory what I wrote. My dad was able to buy a house and provide my mom and me with a comfortable, middle class existence working at an aluminum plant. After he passed away, the company had been purchased by an Australian businessman who was infamous for his ruthless union busting. The medical benefits that had been promised to my mom and the spouses of other retirees were suddenly withdrawn, and retirees and surviving spouses had to seek help from ARP. This can not be explained as anything other than corporate greed at the expense of workers and their surviving family members who promises had been made to.

Your parents got lulled into a comfortable, dependent relationship.

It's the same problem as the people in this topic face.

Blame should be on the liberal (union person) who made these false promises and put your parents and the people in this topic in such a bad situation.

Conservatives derive their ideas from the perspective that humans are vile.

So, of course, this Australian man savagely schemed to get as much for himself.

Conservatives saw that coming a mile away.

Liberal, naïve, "sheeple", innocently saw rainbows and benevolence. :)


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09 Sep 2019, 5:32 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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I thought that was pretty self explanatory what I wrote. My dad was able to buy a house and provide my mom and me with a comfortable, middle class existence working at an aluminum plant. After he passed away, the company had been purchased by an Australian businessman who was infamous for his ruthless union busting. The medical benefits that had been promised to my mom and the spouses of other retirees were suddenly withdrawn, and retirees and surviving spouses had to seek help from ARP. This can not be explained as anything other than corporate greed at the expense of workers and their surviving family members who promises had been made to.

Your parents got lulled into a comfortable, dependent relationship.

It's the same problem as the people in this topic face.

Blame should be on the liberal (union person) who made these false promises and put your parents and the people in this topic in such a bad situation.


No, it's the fault of corporate greed that betrayed promises both earned and negotiated.
I suppose I'm a fool for expecting freedom of speech and expression to be there for me in the future.


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I believe in human benevolence. I don't believe in all "liberal" ideas.



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LoveNotHate wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
I thought that was pretty self explanatory what I wrote. My dad was able to buy a house and provide my mom and me with a comfortable, middle class existence working at an aluminum plant. After he passed away, the company had been purchased by an Australian businessman who was infamous for his ruthless union busting. The medical benefits that had been promised to my mom and the spouses of other retirees were suddenly withdrawn, and retirees and surviving spouses had to seek help from ARP. This can not be explained as anything other than corporate greed at the expense of workers and their surviving family members who promises had been made to.

Your parents got lulled into a comfortable, dependent relationship.

It's the same problem as the people in this topic face.

Blame should be on the liberal (union person) who made these false promises and put your parents and the people in this topic in such a bad situation.

Conservatives derive their ideas from the perspective that humans are vile.

So, of course, this Australian man savagely schemed to get as much for himself.

Conservatives saw that coming a mile away.

Liberal, naïve, "sheeple", innocently saw rainbows and benevolence. :)


I'm a Lutheran, so trust me, I have no illusions about how flawed human nature is. But I also know we're redeemed so we can be better.
Conservatives who saw such things as what happened at Kaiser Aluminum a mile away did nothing to stop it.


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09 Sep 2019, 5:59 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I thought that was pretty self explanatory what I wrote. My dad was able to buy a house and provide my mom and me with a comfortable, middle class existence working at an aluminum plant. After he passed away, the company had been purchased by an Australian businessman who was infamous for his ruthless union busting. The medical benefits that had been promised to my mom and the spouses of other retirees were suddenly withdrawn, and retirees and surviving spouses had to seek help from ARP. This can not be explained as anything other than corporate greed at the expense of workers and their surviving family members who promises had been made to.

Your parents got lulled into a comfortable, dependent relationship.

It's the same problem as the people in this topic face.

Blame should be on the liberal (union person) who made these false promises and put your parents and the people in this topic in such a bad situation.

Conservatives derive their ideas from the perspective that humans are vile.

So, of course, this Australian man savagely schemed to get as much for himself.

Conservatives saw that coming a mile away.

Liberal, naïve, "sheeple", innocently saw rainbows and benevolence. :)


I'm a Lutheran, so trust me, I have no illusions about how flawed human nature is. But I also know we're redeemed so we can be better.
Conservatives who saw such things as what happened at Kaiser Aluminum a mile away did nothing to stop it.


If I may ask what happened to Kaiser Aluminum afterwards? The business not the workers.


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