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22 Oct 2022, 11:21 pm

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Former Vice President Al Gore references computer modeling to suggest that the north polar ice cap may lose virtually all of its ice within the next seven years. "Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years," says Gore.



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22 Oct 2022, 11:23 pm

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23 Oct 2022, 1:02 am

It's well established that Al Gore and Tim Flannery overestimated the timeline. That doesn't mean it isn't going to happen.

The message Greta Thunberg and probably millions around the world are trying to make to their governments is for them to understand that the earlier we intervene in eliminating carbon emissions the more likely humanity will survive the cataclysm that is to come.



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23 Oct 2022, 4:14 am

cyberdad wrote:
It's well established that Al Gore and Tim Flannery overestimated the timeline. That doesn't mean it isn't going to happen.

The message Greta Thunberg and probably millions around the world are trying to make to their governments is for them to understand that the earlier we intervene in eliminating carbon emissions the more likely humanity will survive the cataclysm that is to come.


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24 Oct 2022, 12:27 am

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Sydney has broken its October rainfall record with the previous record set in 1987 – at a monthly total of 285 millimetres.

It marks the third month this year that Sydney has broken its monthly record in what is already the city’s wettest year.

With more wet weather on the way, meteorologists at Sky News Weather are predicting Sydney’s eventual rainfall total for 2022 could surpass the previous record by roughly 500 millimetres.


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Melbourne suburb of Lilydale hit by 44mm of rain in just 30 minutes on Tuesday night as more wild weather expected

Terrifying images have emerged showing Melburnians fleeing from their submerged vehicles after the outer suburb of Lilydale was inundated by flash flooding overnight.
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27 Oct 2022, 3:32 pm

Could you maybe splash some of that water up to the Western U.S?

Yahoo!: "Drought in the Great Plains and Midwest is getting more intense, federal report shows"

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“While the recent rapid intensification of drought has been most prominent across the Midwest, severe drought has persisted for up to two years across portions of the Missouri River Basin/Great Plains,” NIDIS noted.

The Midwest is not the only region in the country experiencing long-running drought. Much of the West is in the grip of a 22-year drought that is causing water levels in reservoirs on the Colorado River to drop to what the United Nations Environment Programme described in August as “dangerously low levels.”


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28 Oct 2022, 4:29 am

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Could you maybe splash some of that water up to the Western U.S?

Yahoo!: "Drought in the Great Plains and Midwest is getting more intense, federal report shows"
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“While the recent rapid intensification of drought has been most prominent across the Midwest, severe drought has persisted for up to two years across portions of the Missouri River Basin/Great Plains,” NIDIS noted.

The Midwest is not the only region in the country experiencing long-running drought. Much of the West is in the grip of a 22-year drought that is causing water levels in reservoirs on the Colorado River to drop to what the United Nations Environment Programme described in August as “dangerously low levels.”


You are missing the point of this thread.
Specifically:
To show that Tim Flannery didn't know what he was talking about regarding rainfall over Australia.



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28 Oct 2022, 5:00 am

Pepe wrote:
You are missing the point of this thread.
Specifically:
To show that Tim Flannery didn't know what he was talking about regarding rainfall over Australia.

Really?
I find the topic of weather much more interesting than someone who said something not informed enough.


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28 Oct 2022, 5:29 am

magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
You are missing the point of this thread.
Specifically:
To show that Tim Flannery didn't know what he was talking about regarding rainfall over Australia.

Really?
I find the topic of weather much more interesting than someone who said something not informed enough.


As the creator of this thread, I do know what my intent was.
Please refer to my original/opening post. :wink:

And please tell me how a drought elsewhere in the world is on topic. 8)



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28 Oct 2022, 5:38 am

Can you tell me a bit more about the broader context in which this man told the sentence you quoted in the OP?
I believe he was talking about global warming. While he wasn't exactly correct in his words (at least in the scope of the few years since he said it - changes in climate usually take at least several decades to happen), the very nature of global warming is that it is global and repeating weather anomalies all over the world are potentially meaningful when discussing it.


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28 Oct 2022, 6:03 am

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Can you tell me a bit more about the broader context in which this man told the sentence you quoted in the OP?
I believe he was talking about global warming. While he wasn't exactly correct in his words (at least in the scope of the few years since he said it - changes in climate usually take at least several decades to happen), the very nature of global warming is that it is global and repeating weather anomalies all over the world are potentially meaningful when discussing it.


He was talking specifically about Australia.
There was a forecast that the entire South East area of Australia would become a dust bowl.
He was in <cough> error.

Our chief scientist relatively recently admitted that there was no evidence that connected Australian droughts to climate change, btw.

Flannery influenced the government policy of the day.
Billions of dollars went into desalination plants that ultimately were not required.
The perceived threat/catastrophe was not decades in the future at that time.

IIRC, Flannery made those comments around 12 years ago.
The prediction turned out to be an Epic Fail.



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28 Oct 2022, 6:43 am

It's something public speakers rarely understand about science of complex systems: there are plenty of unknowns and as the science develops, the number of unknowns is systematically reduced - but never zero.
That's why weather forecasts for a few days usually work but sometimes turn out wrong - most often timing or scale of weather phenomena are mispredicted.
Climate forecasts are weather forecasts on a larger scale. More factors to examine how they contribute, more time and systematic effort needed to get useful predictions.

What apparently is known is that global warming makes the weather "bigger" - more rain in a single storm, more range of high pressure systems (translated to drought spells), faster winds, etc. That's something we know relatively well and also something we can work on adapting to.

It's unlikely the whole Australia becomes a desert. It's a whole continent with many different climates and ecosystems. Each of them will experience the changes in its own way.


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28 Oct 2022, 7:30 am

magz wrote:
It's something public speakers rarely understand about science of complex systems: there are plenty of unknowns and as the science develops, the number of unknowns is systematically reduced - but never zero.

That's why weather forecasts for a few days usually work but sometimes turn out wrong - most often timing or scale of weather phenomena are mispredicted.
Climate forecasts are weather forecasts on a larger scale. More factors to examine how they contribute, more time and systematic effort needed to get useful predictions.



The joke is, if the BOM can't consistently predict the weather a week in advance, how could they in 3 decades' time?

magz wrote:
What apparently is known is that global warming makes the weather "bigger" - more rain in a single storm, more range of high pressure systems (translated to drought spells), faster winds, etc. That's something we know relatively well and also something we can work on adapting to.

It's unlikely the whole Australia becomes a desert. It's a whole continent with many different climates and ecosystems. Each of them will experience the changes in its own way.


The hilarious thing is that Flannery was not a climate scientist.

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Tim Flannery being referred to as a ‘climate expert’ is ‘bizarre’
August 25, 2021 - 5:33PM

It’s “bizarre” that Tim Flannery is still referred to as a “climate expert,” according to Sky News host Chris Kenny.

It comes after the Sydney Morning Herald released an article titled “Three pandemic measures that will also curb climate change: Flannery”.

Mr Kenny noted the article starts by saying Flannery is “one of the country’s leading climate change experts”.

“That is not just a big call, it is rubbish,” Mr Kenny said.

“Flannery is, of course, a palaeontologist, not a climate expert.”


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28 Oct 2022, 7:41 am

Pepe wrote:
The joke is, if the BOM can't consistently predict the weather a week in advance, how could they in 3 decades' time?
Averages are workable, particular fluctuations are practically impossible.

Pepe wrote:
The hilarious thing is that Flannery was not a climate scientist.

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Tim Flannery being referred to as a ‘climate expert’ is ‘bizarre’
August 25, 2021 - 5:33PM

It’s “bizarre” that Tim Flannery is still referred to as a “climate expert,” according to Sky News host Chris Kenny.

It comes after the Sydney Morning Herald released an article titled “Three pandemic measures that will also curb climate change: Flannery”.

Mr Kenny noted the article starts by saying Flannery is “one of the country’s leading climate change experts”.

“That is not just a big call, it is rubbish,” Mr Kenny said.

“Flannery is, of course, a palaeontologist, not a climate expert.”


https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/chri ... 2847549671
Then you have the answer to why he speaks uninformed things on climate science.


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Could you maybe splash some of that water up to the Western U.S?

Yahoo!: "Drought in the Great Plains and Midwest is getting more intense, federal report shows"
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“While the recent rapid intensification of drought has been most prominent across the Midwest, severe drought has persisted for up to two years across portions of the Missouri River Basin/Great Plains,” NIDIS noted.

The Midwest is not the only region in the country experiencing long-running drought. Much of the West is in the grip of a 22-year drought that is causing water levels in reservoirs on the Colorado River to drop to what the United Nations Environment Programme described in August as “dangerously low levels.”


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