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08 Jan 2021, 9:28 am

we're closer to being a failed state than many realize.



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08 Jan 2021, 10:52 am

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I don't understand this at all.
I mean, I get that that these people are Trump supporters who perhaps genuinely believe the election was somehow rigged against them, and are feeling outraged over that.


And the lie that the election that was rigged was spread by the right-wing media and the Republican leadership. People think that fake news and conspiracy theories are harmless and just free speech. Well, our enemies know the damage disinformation can do. We understand the use of disinformation on our enemies. Free speech should come with responsibility.



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08 Jan 2021, 11:09 am

Mr. Trump's decades of ruling from the "corner office" did nothing to prepare him for four years of presiding from the Oval Office.  Mix that in with his infantile sore loser reactions, and his lies about "It's not fair" and "cheater, cheater" somehow seem to all make sense.

Note that I am not at all trying to excuse his behavior; it is just that when you perceive (as I do) Mr. Trump as an overgrown child who is used to getting his own way, it seems only natural that he would develop into a tyrant who blames everyone around him for his own failures.

What a loser!


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08 Jan 2021, 11:33 am

Fnord wrote:
Mr. Trump's decades of ruling from the "corner office" did nothing to prepare him for four years of presiding from the Oval Office.  Mix that in with his infantile sore loser reactions, and his lies about "It's not fair" and "cheater, cheater" somehow seem to all make sense.

Note that I am not at all trying to excuse his behavior; it is just that when you perceive (as I do) Mr. Trump as an overgrown child who is used to getting his own way, it seems only natural that he would develop into a tyrant who blames everyone around him for his own failures.

What a loser!


Trump has now decided that he will not be at the inauguration of Biden and Harris. I assumed that was a forgone conclusion months ago when he lost the election:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-bi ... 26650.html

It would be fitting if he was quickly removed from office (25th Amendment or impeachment) and have all presidential perks revoked for life, including protection (the Secret Service). Impeachment from both houses of Congress would prevent him from holding political office for life in this country. Guess that would ruin his plans for a return campaign in four years. We might get him to really cry at that point, not to mention when he ends up in a prison cell. He should be charged with a minimum of five counts of negligent man-slaughter for inciting the riot, with double time given for the specific death of the police officer.



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08 Jan 2021, 11:37 am

The mob that overran the Capital never worked in the corner office. The Republican support of white supremacy and authoritarianism has fueled this crowd. Our social media companies have given them the platform to organize and spread their ideology. There already seems to be some organization for more right-wing protests on Jan 20. Trump did not exist in a vacuum.



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08 Jan 2021, 11:38 am

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The mob that overran the Capital never worked in the corner office. The Republican support of white supremacy and authoritarianism has fueled this crowd. Our social media companies have given them the platform to organize and spread their ideology. There already seems to be some organization for more right-wing protests on Jan 20. Trump did not exist in a vacuum.
Without the leader, the followers have no direction or purpose.


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08 Jan 2021, 11:39 am

Anything to the right of Bernie and AOC is fascist!


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08 Jan 2021, 11:40 am

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Anything to the right of Bernie and AOC is fascist!


Don't be silly.



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08 Jan 2021, 11:49 am

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Anything to the right of Bernie and AOC is fascist!
Don't be silly.
Aww, c'mon!  He is just being sarcastic!

It is like saying "Anyone to the left of Augustus Invictus and Christopher Cantwell is a Socialist".


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08 Jan 2021, 12:00 pm

The corporate wheels are paving the way for Biden to pardon Trump. I've read a couple of commentaries advocating for that, this one from NBC:

https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject. ... cna1247986

I told you the corrupt take care of each other, despite the performative political theater in which they engage.


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08 Jan 2021, 12:08 pm

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The corporate wheels are paving the way for Biden to pardon Trump. I've read a couple of commentaries advocating for that, this one from NBC:

https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject. ... cna1247986

I told you the corrupt take care of each other, despite the performative political theater in which they engage.


Why do people always confuse opinion with fact? This is an opinion piece.



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08 Jan 2021, 12:14 pm

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The corporate wheels are paving the way for Biden to pardon Trump. I've read a couple of commentaries advocating for that, this one from NBC:

https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject. ... cna1247986

I told you the corrupt take care of each other, despite the performative political theater in which they engage.


Why do people always confuse opinion with fact? This is an opinion piece.


I didn't say it was fact, I simply stated this is how it starts.


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08 Jan 2021, 12:15 pm

What's going to happen to the enablers and people that cheered on Trump for the past 4 years?!

Are they really going to try and stay relevant? Stay involved? Claim their opinion is still valid??!



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08 Jan 2021, 12:17 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
The corporate wheels are paving the way for Biden to pardon Trump. I've read a couple of commentaries advocating for that, this one from NBC:

https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject. ... cna1247986

I told you the corrupt take care of each other, despite the performative political theater in which they engage.


Why do people always confuse opinion with fact? This is an opinion piece.


I didn't say it was fact, I simply stated this is how it starts.


There is also a difference between personal cynicism and fact. Democrats are trying to oust the president right now. A pardon seem unlikely.



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08 Jan 2021, 12:18 pm

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What's going to happen to the enablers and people that cheered on Trump for the past 4 years?!  Are they really going to try and stay relevant?  Stay involved?  Claim their opinion is still valid??!
All of that would seem to be the case ... unless they get banned, censored, or otherwise "cancelled".


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08 Jan 2021, 12:20 pm

People who spent 4 years gleefully dismissing claims that just this kind could happen while calling it 'trump derangement syndrome' need to take a long hard look at themselves. They absolutely wont though.