Foiled hig school masacre

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It is not that we are lower or higher form of life. We are different form of life.

Either they will triumph or we.

Life is ruthless struggle were superior beings has right and obligation to stomp out, enslave and hunt inferior beings.

Zyborg what you know about how others treat my childern isn't worth a warm bucket of pee. Lot of people who have AS and autism do wonderful things with their lives. The people you listed are three things in common they are dead ,they are hated and they killed lots of their own people. How about you do something useful with your "superior" mind and go make you self a new tinfoil hat.

Last edited by CRD on 17 Jul 2009, 6:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Some people on her are f***ing idiots its terrorism not Disturbed misunderstood People on the spectrum

Anyone up for an ISP ban of Zyborg?

And using that ISP to locate where he lives and calling the local cops?

I personally believe people such as you deserve to be comitteed for the welfare of all society and the world, NT and aspie.

It is ironic that a thread about a high school massacre turned into a racist, stereotypical and biased thread with wild allegations about both people's intention all the way to genocide.

Anyone who romanticizes Pol Pot, Hitler or Stalin has issues.

For the record, Zyborg, I met a beautiful Malawian neurotypical on Faceboo who is coming to America(where I live) to study. We are going to be very happy together, despite the fact that I am white, she is blac, I have AS and she is NT. Why don't you get a life, Zyborg and don't pollute the forum with your malicious views, especially in topics where people are supposed to be openminded.

Again, mods, ban him, use his ISP to locate where he lives and call the local cops. Get a translator if English is not the official language of Zyborg's country because quite honestly what he posted openly flaunts the TOCs of WP.

I so agree Bozewani, my great grandfather was in one of hitlers death camps he barely made it out alive. I sickens me to thing someone wants to vist this apond the world again. If he could be stoped and gotten the help he needs before he hurts anyone this would be wonderful.

Acctually everyone has the right to express their opinion no matter how wrong it seems in the eyes of others, it's a human right in every country included in the United Nations.

And sadly he has a few points and I know how someone could be twisted to such a view of the world.


Do you know anything about what the classmates are saying? They are usually the worst people when it comes to treating "abnormals".

Asperger's certainly causes emotional problems, and in certain people those problems could make them carry out a school shooting. I don't know of any studies, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a correlation between Asperger's and school shootings for these reasons. It might not be pleasant to hear but it's probably true.

My older son has had very little trouble with other kids in school, some but the kids in question are for the most part already on the schools list of kids the need extra help due to emotinal and behavoir isues of thier own. My younger son is alway in a contained autism class room but when he has gone to the play ground ect with other kids he's never been bothered mostly the litttle girls fight over who gets to push him on the swings and he plays tag with the boys. When my older son has had trouble we sit down and talk about what happened and that there is nothing wroung with him or what he's done but some other kids have lots of things going on it thir lifes that can cause them to act out and to just avoid those kids from now on. I don't think any kid makes thew middle school or Jr High with out coming across a bully or two. I sure didn't but I also didn't go make a pipe bomb when the huge fat chick beat the snott out of me in the caff and broke my retainer. I did call my mother and she called the girls mom who made the other kid work off the cost of replacing my retainer. Then we just hated each other from across the caff for the rest of the school year and avoided each other then the name calling on both sides. Now the big mean girl is oncology nurse and is from what a hear very good at her job and has help alot of very sick people. When I was 13 I thought she would have grown-up to be a mass murder.

Ahh I see... Now, imagine this fat chick and multiply her by 150 (i.e an entire school) and stretch the period of time from M.S-Jr.H to Kindergarden-today. That's what some of us are dealing with and it tend to leave marks.
I hope you and your kids really appreciate the people around you. (Or you're just not seeing it, I don't know.)

Since there's a lot of opinion and personal experience, plus strong views in this thread, I thought I'd toss in some research on the subject of ASDs and violence that has been done (found on PubMed in the NLM)

1. Offender characteristics in lethal violence with special reference to antisocial and autistic personality traits.

Wahlund K, Kristiansson M. at the Karolinska Institutet, Sweden.

The objective of the study is to assess the relationships between personality traits, lifetime psychosocial functioning, and crime scene behavior. Thirty-five male offenders referred for forensic psychiatric assessment in Sweden (1996-2001) and assigned a main diagnosis of either antisocial personality disorder (APD) or autism spectrum disorder (AUT) were retrospectively studied. APD were subcategorized into impulsive (APDi) and controlled (APDc). Those in the AUT group were less intoxicated at the time of the crime and did not often use knives or guns compared to the APD group. Males in the APDi group were older and had a higher proportion of abuse of alcohol and drugs in biological parents, physical abuse during childhood, psychiatric contacts, and suicide attempts compared to the APDc group. In the APDi group, knives were used in the homicide compared to the use of guns in the APDc group. The results suggest differences in psychosocial functioning and crime scene characteristics related to personality traits.

PMID: 16829668

2. Clinical neuropsychiatric symptoms in perpetrators of severe crimes against persons.

Söderström Anckarsäter H., at the Forensic Psychiatric Clinic, Malmö University Hospital, Lund University, Sege Park 8A, SE-205 02, Malmö, Sweden. henrik.anckarsater@skane.se

The objective of the study was to explore the possibility of common signs and symptoms of childhood-onset neuropsychiatric disorders and personality disorders, especially psychopathy, in a cohort of violent offenders. A structured neuropsychiatric status comprising features recorded in childhood-onset neuropsychiatric disorders and adult personality disorders was assessed in 89 perpetrators of severe crimes against other persons, analysed for factor structure, and compared to clinical diagnostics of neuropsychiatric disorders and independent assessments of psychopathy rated by the Psychopathy Checklist Revised (PCL-R). One or several childhood-onset neuropsychiatric disorders [autism, attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (AD/HD), tics and learning disability] affected the majority of adult offenders. A factor analysis yielded four higher-order problem constellations: Executive Dysfunction, Compulsivity, Social Interaction Problems and Superficiality. All four constellations were positively correlated with life histories of aggression, stressing the clinical importance of these problems in adult forensic psychiatry. Compulsivity and Social Interaction Problems were associated with autistic traits and tics, Executive Dysfunction with AD/HD, conduct disorder and psychopathic as well as autistic traits. Superficiality was a distinct aspect of AD/HD and psychopathic traits, especially the PCL-R factor reflecting interpersonal callousness. Neuropsychiatric disorders and personality disorders such as psychopathy share common symptoms. The various facets of psychopathy are associated with executive dysfunction and empathy deficits with superficial understanding of self, others and the rules of communication.

PMID: 16195128

3. A neuropsychiatric developmental model of serial homicidal behavior.
Silva JA, Leong GB, Ferrari MM.

Serial sexual homicide has been the object of intensive study from forensic psychiatric, criminological, developmental, and sociological perspectives. In contradistinction to these approaches, neuropsychiatric concepts and methods have received relatively little attention in this area. In this article we adopt a neuropsychiatric developmental perspective and undertake a review of the psychiatric literature on violence and autism spectrum disorders. Our analysis of this literature suggests the presence of an association between autism spectrum psychopathology and serial homicidal behavior. Recommendations for further research to help clarify the nature of this association are briefly discussed. Copyright 2004 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.

PMID: 15568202

The keywords "autism" and "violence" in a PubMed search return a total of 82 articles, including the three above. This is a relatively new area of research, and some findings support a correlation between ASDs and violence. But there are also concomitant factors, and many violent criminals do not have an ASD.

Statistically, the most common mental disorder associated with violent criminal behavior is Antisocial Personality Disorder. Among teenagers, Conduct Disorder and Oppositional-Defiant Disorder (both prodromal for APD) are frequently associated with criminal behavior. Exactly where and how AS or other ASDs enter into this is unclear at this point.

As several people pointed out, the foiled plot in Britain has nothing to do with ASDs, as far as we can tell. And the news article was short, the boys innocent until proven guilty, and the plot possibly a phantom of an overly sensitive school. We need a lot more detail about this story before we can say anything meaningful about it.

Finally, let's keep in mind that school shootings and bombings by students are very rare events. The vast majority of NTs and non-NTs (ASDs, and everything else) manage to get through the trials and tribulations of school without resorting to massacre.

Zyborg: anger, even rage at a society that rejects you is understandable. But mass slaughter out of revenge will just make you angrier. If you really believe you cannot get on in NT society, then don't. WP and other groups will be happy to help with that, but on the condition that you do no harm.

Ok, you know what? My hero and role model had a father who thought like that. He was an emperor of a world superpower. He let his offspring squabble over who was going to inherit the throne, with the result that this person's mother was killed and his younger sister was blinded and crippled in an attempted coup de etat. You know what this person did then? He allied himself with freedom fighters from a dominion of his father's empire, started a rebellion, killed his father, and took over the throne. Then he became a hated despotic dictator to unite the world against him. Once he did that, he had his best and only friend kill him while disguised as the original leader of these freedom fighters.

The results of his actions? The entire world united in peace.

At any rate, thinking like that makes me sick, and while you may be perfectly in the right to spout hateful BS like that on WP, it still doesn't change the fact that you need some serious help. Ever heard of the phrase "Those who rule have responsibilities over the ruled?" or how about this "A tyrant lives in fear of his subjects?"

You are probably under the impression that as Aspies we should dominate the NT's. I used to think like that, but now I know better. Even if it were possible for us to take over the world and dominate the NT's, they wouldn't buy it. And you know what happens when the ruled don't recognize the ruler as legit? Terrorism. Rebellion. Coup de etat. They will overthrow us from sheer numbers, and once they have re-obtained the upper hand, how do you think they will treat their former rulers? How do you think the Iraqis treated Saddam Hussein after he was deposed? I'm sure you were watching them storming the streets knocking down statues like the rest of the world. If you were actually stupid enough to follow throught with these psychotic plans of yours, they'd be knocking your statues down while you languished in a dark cell awaiting your execution.

Seriously. Get a life. Get some psych help. And for the love of God stop watching so much TV! Get in touch with reality already!

Personally I agree. I remember when I was in my whole "Aspie Revolution" phase and was spouting stuff not unsimilar to this, and I was banned temporarily and was only allowed back after an attitude check. This guy is doing the same s**t only ten times worse. He's got to go.

Well, to be fair, the whole statue-bashing-thing was staged by US-military, not a spontaneous event. Watch it again, there's no "common people" there, only press (what would they do there unless summoned?) and US military.

I can never tell if Zyborg is serious or if he's just a harmless troll. His views can be amusing if you don't take them seriously, yet highly disturbing if you do.

Deal with it.......nobody is forced to read.

Deal with it.......nobody is forced to read.