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This has potentially derailed the chances of a future Palin Presidency so it could have positive benefits (in a stricty amoral utilitarian sense). I hope the congresswoman recovers in time to run again as a blue dawg dem and that mr loughner, if mentally ill ,is sent to a medical instituiton rather than prison.

Stop trying to politicize this...

Well given that there was a attempted murder of a congresswoman and the successful murder of a federal judge i'd say that the act itself was political and deserves to be examined in a political context. You could bet your bottom dollar that if this was a "far left bomb thrower" or a "kool aid drinker" assasinating a republican congressman the right would be all over the airways now blaming the left.

The Judge was a Conservative appointed by George H.W. Bush, and would likely side with Arizona over the border case.

I really find it disgusting but unsurprising that the left would use this tragedy to attempt to silence people they don't agree with.

Members of each side seem to be doing that and to reverse it by stating the above is the same thing to counter-silence opinion. It's not everyday a congress person elect is shot. I think people are coping different ways. A delusion is a false belief and delusion is common. Everyone has delusions from time to time and this issue is no exception and emotion seems to create or co-exist with delusion more often then not. Hell it's not human to not have emotions.

Nathan Young

It what the Right did after 9/11. "You're either with us or with the terrorists"

Also this is the same Right that called the President a terrorist because he once sat on the same toilet seat as Bill Ayers.

Fight fire with fire is what i say otherwise you'll be left with a left that's full of people like Alan Colmes.

We were attacked, and the address was directed towards other countries, Bush was not calling Democrats enemies.



Actually there is more to it than that.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2101325/posts
http://www.bloggernews.net/118235



I'd rather see more Alan Colmes than more Bill Ayers.

Yeah the politics on both sides or least what appears as the extremes is just insane. I don't even pay attention to that sort of stuff. One person accused me of working for the CIA once. Delusions and delusional complexes. Honestly in exception for a few things I understand I do not know the difference between the two parties.

Compared to the contempt I hold for the politicians, (of both parties) I have very little for this kid. The politicians and the "businessmen" (who are the REAL power in the state) who love them ought to be grateful for people like this kid, Charlie Manson, street gangs, child molestors, etc.....


It is these very "evildoers" who the subservient media is constantly and shamelessly focused on. They help to keep the public's attention away from the politicians and "businessmen" who are robbing them blind, outsourcing their jobs, working them to death, poisoning their planet, peddling every useless and malignant product to thier children, dropping bombs, napalm and agent orange in stone-age countries like Afghanistan and Vietnam to enrich the defense contractors and the parasites euphemistically known as "shareholders", etc.....ad nauseum.







All this will fall on deaf ears of course....i'm hardly naive enough to believe otherwise. The zombified public will keep getting hysterical over the relatively rare unhinged gunman the various ministries of propaganda like CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, etc....feeds them while remaining virtually oblivious to the Lord Sauron-like corporations and their Orc-like slave politicians, judges, religious leaders, etc.... who are slowly, but surely, bringing about the ruin of the world.

Soooooo......nothing to see here folks....business as usual in this sickest of all societies with it's nihilistic and predatory capitalism, it's anti-human, anti-life, anti-earth values, it's perverted and destructive myths like the Judeo-Christian faiths, it's Calvinist dumbfuckery, it's moronic and misplaced individualism, the unsubstantiated and implicit belief in "free will", etc.....This society creates the Loughners, the Mansons, the Cho Sung Wuis, etc....


This clip from the Godfather I says all that needs to be said about this recent crime...tragic and unnecessary though it was.



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In some facets what the above poster is talking about is similar to the writings of the shooter. Feeling helpless, the media is controlling (propaganda agencies "ministries") and the conspiracy is to distract us. Those of power as well, the business folks, they are in control as well in this theory. I suppose it's like calling people special interest but when I say it I just mean people have conflicts of interest having to do with money but nothing more complicated then that.

I don't know this world is fairly complicated. I suppose if you don't believe you are free to be creative and influence others just as these major macro influences mentioned above do then you are in a self-prison. It's akin to being deaf as to counter what the above poster said. There is this idea that the world is controlled and people are helpless and then the conspiracies manifest. I had a support worker one time believe a political group was being watched because they heard pops on the line, line noise.

Really wacky world.

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Too much of that and you have a left that's full of Keith Oblermanns, a terrifying thought indeed. More importantly from the perspective of our little forum, being all firebrand without any real substance only qualifies one as a forum irritant, something we're not in short supply of. In the end, taking a civil tone even when tearing someone's post apart will earn you far more respect than attacks dripping with contempt and sarcasm ever will, after all no one trusts an ideologue to tell the truth except when it furthers his ideology. Just look at how much "respect" our most partisan PPR posters get...

What is a PPR?

PPR refers to the Politics, Philosophy, and Religion forum here at WP. A place which I personally avoid like the plague. As Obi-Wan Kenobi once said, "Never has there been a more wretched hive of scum and villany."

That said, this attempt at an assassination was not a political statement. This was the act of a man who was clearly off his rocker who THOUGHT he was making a political statement. Unfortunately, because the target in question was one of moderate political standing, it may have well been a political statement, because whether we like it or not, there is going to be a political shitstorm that arises out of this.

Best case scenario: The Democrats, Republicans, and possibly even the Tea Partiers decide to band together in the face of this tragedy, or at the very least tone down the violent rhetoric that apparently mislead this man to believe he was doing the world a favor (which he wasn't)

Worst (and more likely than above) case scenario: The aforementioned parties use this incident as an excuse for more fearmongering and finger pointing. The NSA steps in and takes away more of our freedoms in the name of national security, and the scapegoat for domestic terrorism shifts from Islamic nationals to the mentally ill. As a result, we are all seen as enemies of the state and are locked up and sterilized in a "Final Solution" plan. Only the people who suggested it won't be seen as evil because, in the world's eyes, we are all sad, suffering souls and need to be put out of our misery.

What a load of BS.

If I had my way, no one would be blamed for this, it would just be another inexplicable tragedy. But that's not how Washington works, is it? So I'll play the blame game... and I blame everyone. EVERYONE. I blame the Tea Party for their violent rhetoric. I blame the Democrats AND the Republicans for their constant headbutting, inaction and general lack of common sense, which is the reason why the Tea Party believes they have to resort to violence. I blame the corporations for contributing to that inaction and lack of common sense. And finally, I blame the majority of the American people for being idiotic sheeple with zero free will, believing the s**t that comes out of the mouth of the corporate-controlled media, voting along party lines without giving a damn what their candidate actually cares about, and overall contributing in their small way to the sad state of affairs that is what we call "American" politics.

So? I just said there are people here as paranoid as he appears to have been. I made no comment about right or left leanings, thank you very much. Stop trying to pigeon-hole people.

This was politicized right about the moment that the shooter decided to shoot at a politician. (And a federal judge.)

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Congresswoman Giffords was targeted by Loughner on his social networking site, according to my local news source. He had met hst centuryer a few years ago at once of her community gatherings and he apparently voiced some opposition to her views, which in his opinion were not addressed to his liking. Since then, there has been some festering hate.

As for him being "one of us", it seems unlikely. He seemed quite obsessed and stewed in his own vile, rather narcissistically, like an unmentionable fanatic warmongering politician from Europe in the last century.