LOTS of manga/anime now illegal in Sweden; soon to be in EU

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do you think there is a correlation between these new manga laws and the case against Assange?? Does he like manga???

porn is illegal period! Oh well I still looks at my Shotas and Lolis, and reads my erotica. lol

F-you Mao... F-you.

I don't think this has anything to do with Assange, I think it has more to do with Government Overreach.

Also, I'm wondering if Anime like Inuyasha, Naruto, DBZ, Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z: Kai, etc. are also going to be affected.

Dragon Ball probably technically falls under what is banned, but I doubt it would enforced. In most countries with laws like this, it's just used to give longer sentences to people caught with real CP as well as loli and/or shota. I don't know if it's true, but I've read that you can still find "child porn" manga in brick and mortar shops in some of those countries, and no one tries to have them shut down.

Luckily, the Supreme Court overturned this law when it was passed in the U.S.

Will a black market for manga be created?When something popular enough is banned people find a way to do it anyway.

I really can't see how people would "jack" off to ecchi stuff when there's porn for that... =/ Mindblowing, really. I mean, i read a lot of the ecchi stuff and although it is sexy indeed, there's better material out there for your fantasies to work with. o.O

Anyways, i always find it amusing when other people want to deny other people stuff, especially when it's fiction work. =/

Where there's a demand, there's a supply.

You do realize this could be argued as the same Nanny State mentality that Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, etc. have been warning people about.

That would cover about 80% of all anime/manga characters so therefore they are banning about 80% of manga/anime. Will they be banning teen romance novels next?



Already happened. It's called the Internet.

I get that this law targets loli/shota style manga/anime and it's possession. I certainly question people who get out a kick of such things and it feels like borderline CP. I'm not much in favoring of needless censorship though and just wonder how this law is going to differentiate from sexualized child images from innocent child images. And isn't what defines a "child" a bit different from country to country in the EU?



I'd be concerned about that though as that might actually affect the production of many mangas.

What I meant with "case closed" was that I almost felt it no longer mattered, anymore, if it went through in the EU, since Japan got there before in much more stringent ways (which was wrong, as it still would matter, but to me, it pretty much felt that way). However, it seems the publishers' boycott of the Tokyo International Anime Fair is having an effect:

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2011/02/1 ... rn-to-taf/

(Beware: Adult content on site)

This after he previously expressed, "Who cares if they come or not, they'll be back next year. For all I care they can stay away forever." - What a pathetic man! I guess he and his drones maybe realized that they won't get taxes from these companies if the companies don't get incomes. Seems like there is hope, after all! ^_^



Still left to stop that segment of the EU law, however. Anyone who thinks it might be okay, as it is written, should look at the Swedish case - that proposed segment in the EU law looks the same in Sweden, so it's only reasonable to assume that it'd be applied more or less similarly in the EU, if it does pass as it is.

This is why I'd never live in Europe. The FRA is much worse than the Patriot Act.

We in Europe are no strangers to Nanny States. The UK already is one.

Conservatives in the US have noticed, which is why we have been on high alert about liberals trying to pull stunts to control people's lives.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste." -- Rahm Emanuel.

In regards to this, and the FRA law, it's the other way around, in Sweden. Folkpartiet (also known as liberalerna), that is part of the center-right coalition government, is more or less the only center-right party that at least partially has been against the FRA law (except, to a small degree, also Centerpartiet), and they seem to be completely against that drawings are illegal, and claim they want to get the law changed if the guy that is accused loses in the supreme court, as well. The very far-left party Vänsterpartiet is completely against the FRA law and that drawings are illegal, as is the leftist environmentalist party Miljöpartiet. The biggest party Socialdemokraterna haven't really commented on drawings being illegal, but seems to now support the FRA law after a failed terrorist attack in December (weak!). The liberal party Piratpartiet, that only is part of the EU parliament, is completely against both the FRA law and that part with drawings being illegal, and have been very outspoken about it.

I have no idea what the far-right Sverigedemokraterna thinks about drawings being illegal, but it wouldn't surprise me if they support it since they are similar to Kristdemokraterna in many ways. They do, however, support the FRA law, at least.

In regards to the matter discussed in this thread, it's without a doubt the two most conservative coalition parties Moderaterna and Kristdemokraterna that support this part of the law, that drawings shall remain illegal. I'd say it's unwise to assume that certain types of politicians will think a certain type of way; there are usually many more facets to it. Of course, in the US, you only have two parties, which cripples the political landscape, as it causes the two parties to be more or less similar in their politics, in order to not lose votes.

I doubt this will have any real effect in other EU Countries, I mean animes like DBZ and Naruto wont be affected by the bill surely.

And there was a Dangerous Cartoons Act passed in the UK last April, but that doesnt seem to have any effect on most of the anime/manga you can get in the UK.

Excerpts from the preliminary decision from the EU parliament became as follows:

- Drawings will be illegal, and that includes drawings that may be "interpreted" as "below eighteen" (as per how it is in Sweden)

- If you, for instance, have a girlfriend or boyfriend that has reached the age of sexual consent in your country, but you are older than him or her by an amount possibly starting from the age of eighteen (it's very unclear), and you photograph your girlfriend or boyfriend in a way that may be "interpreted" as sexual, then that might be illegal and you may end up charged with possession of "child pornography".

- The preliminary decision also states that it will be illegal to dress in a "childish" way and get photographed, if you "give the impression of" below eighteen. This will be illegal regardless of your real age. Since it's all about impressions, it's up to the courts of every EU country to decide what is "childish" enough - in other words, a girl in pigtails wearing a skirt with Scottish square patterns would be enough, if that'd be the feelings of the court, for that moment.


Source: Piratpartiet (www.piratpartiet.se)


Great news, eh? It's not done, yet, and could still be changed, but it doesn't look to good.

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