17 Apr 2011, 4:23 pm
They are. And the general level of homophobia that is acceptable in society is the main motivatiion behind homophobic attacks. People need to be educated that it's not ok. I'm with you on the protection of the vulnerable too. 
17 Apr 2011, 4:23 pm
jamieboy wrote:
Tequila wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
It doesn't matter that it's private property.
They were misbehaving. He told them to stop or get out. They did. Nothing much to it. I would expect the same if it was a heterosexual couple, too. PDAs generally aren't nice to look at over a quiet pint.
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To say that people can "do what they like as it's their property" is BS. I can't murder someone in my house as i'm a citizen of the UK and have to abide by it's laws.
Firstly, he can do what he likes under his own property as long as he follows the law. He can't murder someone, or rape them, or beat them up, but he can have them thrown out for any (or no) reason unless it's a nakedly discriminatory one (i.e. you're black, you're a Pakistani etc). It's his home (to which the public have access, in much the same way as a supermarket or shopping centre). If I came to your house and started acting the idiot, you would tell me to pack it in or piss off, wouldn't you?
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This seems like a pretty good discrimination case to me.
I'd hate to see a bad one!
For it to be discrimination the couple would have to prove that the landlord doesn't do the same to heterosexual couples. Which will be difficult in the extreme to prove. No case to answer. Next!
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I hope they take him all the way to Europe Court of Human rights and he loses his license.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
So you'd be prepared to ruin a guy's livelihood just because he threw some misbehaving customers out? Do you live in the real world?
They weren't misbehaving- they were kissing. According the the guys they were thrown out after giving each other a peck on lips.
Landord said :He added: "When he was asked at quarter to 10 to leave or to stop doing it, if he intended to carry on he should have left them premises, in an orderly fashion, and gone to premises where the matter is accepted and stayed there."
They should have gone to gay bar and stayed there. Sounds like homophobia to me. Given that the couple who refused gays access to a B and B were prosecuted i think they would have a case if they were willing to go the whole hog. Even if it was entirely innocent and he would have done it to straight couple -which i find hard to believe- then the guys a pretty sexually conservative reactionary prude and i'd like to see a country where people could expression open affection wherever they liked. It's not his house it's a place of business. According to you people should be able to turn someone away from there place of business for whatever reason they see fit?
Perhaps he just meant, in their home? Really, I don't like going to bars/pubs/whatever and seeing anybody make out. Who does? Maybe if its just in some corner booth out of view it isn't a big deal... Any case... Its not the place, its immature and inconsiderate. Adults don't do that
btw I wasn't trying to humiliate you with Imaginationland, that was a South Park reference Jamie, sorry, just thought of it randomly
17 Apr 2011, 4:27 pm
17 Apr 2011, 4:27 pm
Vigilans wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Tequila wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
It doesn't matter that it's private property.
They were misbehaving. He told them to stop or get out. They did. Nothing much to it. I would expect the same if it was a heterosexual couple, too. PDAs generally aren't nice to look at over a quiet pint.
Quote:
To say that people can "do what they like as it's their property" is BS. I can't murder someone in my house as i'm a citizen of the UK and have to abide by it's laws.
Firstly, he can do what he likes under his own property as long as he follows the law. He can't murder someone, or rape them, or beat them up, but he can have them thrown out for any (or no) reason unless it's a nakedly discriminatory one (i.e. you're black, you're a Pakistani etc). It's his home (to which the public have access, in much the same way as a supermarket or shopping centre). If I came to your house and started acting the idiot, you would tell me to pack it in or piss off, wouldn't you?
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This seems like a pretty good discrimination case to me.
I'd hate to see a bad one!
For it to be discrimination the couple would have to prove that the landlord doesn't do the same to heterosexual couples. Which will be difficult in the extreme to prove. No case to answer. Next!
Quote:
I hope they take him all the way to Europe Court of Human rights and he loses his license.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
So you'd be prepared to ruin a guy's livelihood just because he threw some misbehaving customers out? Do you live in the real world?
They weren't misbehaving- they were kissing. According the the guys they were thrown out after giving each other a peck on lips.
Landord said :He added: "When he was asked at quarter to 10 to leave or to stop doing it, if he intended to carry on he should have left them premises, in an orderly fashion, and gone to premises where the matter is accepted and stayed there."
They should have gone to gay bar and stayed there. Sounds like homophobia to me. Given that the couple who refused gays access to a B and B were prosecuted i think they would have a case if they were willing to go the whole hog. Even if it was entirely innocent and he would have done it to straight couple -which i find hard to believe- then the guys a pretty sexually conservative reactionary prude and i'd like to see a country where people could expression open affection wherever they liked. It's not his house it's a place of business. According to you people should be able to turn someone away from there place of business for whatever reason they see fit?
Perhaps he just meant, in their home? Really, I don't like going to bars/pubs/whatever and seeing anybody make out. Who does? Maybe if its just in some corner booth out of view it isn't a big deal... Any case... Its not the place, its immature and inconsiderate. Adults don't do that
btw I wasn't trying to humiliate you with Imaginationland, that was a South Park reference Jamie, sorry, just thought of it randomly
You'd ban public displays of affection then? Like in Afghanistan under the Taliban?
17 Apr 2011, 4:39 pm
17 Apr 2011, 4:49 pm
jamieboy wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Tequila wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
It doesn't matter that it's private property.
They were misbehaving. He told them to stop or get out. They did. Nothing much to it. I would expect the same if it was a heterosexual couple, too. PDAs generally aren't nice to look at over a quiet pint.
Quote:
To say that people can "do what they like as it's their property" is BS. I can't murder someone in my house as i'm a citizen of the UK and have to abide by it's laws.
Firstly, he can do what he likes under his own property as long as he follows the law. He can't murder someone, or rape them, or beat them up, but he can have them thrown out for any (or no) reason unless it's a nakedly discriminatory one (i.e. you're black, you're a Pakistani etc). It's his home (to which the public have access, in much the same way as a supermarket or shopping centre). If I came to your house and started acting the idiot, you would tell me to pack it in or piss off, wouldn't you?
Quote:
This seems like a pretty good discrimination case to me.
I'd hate to see a bad one!
For it to be discrimination the couple would have to prove that the landlord doesn't do the same to heterosexual couples. Which will be difficult in the extreme to prove. No case to answer. Next!
Quote:
I hope they take him all the way to Europe Court of Human rights and he loses his license.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
So you'd be prepared to ruin a guy's livelihood just because he threw some misbehaving customers out? Do you live in the real world?
They weren't misbehaving- they were kissing. According the the guys they were thrown out after giving each other a peck on lips.
Landord said :He added: "When he was asked at quarter to 10 to leave or to stop doing it, if he intended to carry on he should have left them premises, in an orderly fashion, and gone to premises where the matter is accepted and stayed there."
They should have gone to gay bar and stayed there. Sounds like homophobia to me. Given that the couple who refused gays access to a B and B were prosecuted i think they would have a case if they were willing to go the whole hog. Even if it was entirely innocent and he would have done it to straight couple -which i find hard to believe- then the guys a pretty sexually conservative reactionary prude and i'd like to see a country where people could expression open affection wherever they liked. It's not his house it's a place of business. According to you people should be able to turn someone away from there place of business for whatever reason they see fit?
Perhaps he just meant, in their home? Really, I don't like going to bars/pubs/whatever and seeing anybody make out. Who does? Maybe if its just in some corner booth out of view it isn't a big deal... Any case... Its not the place, its immature and inconsiderate. Adults don't do that
btw I wasn't trying to humiliate you with Imaginationland, that was a South Park reference Jamie, sorry, just thought of it randomly
You'd ban public displays of affection then? Like in Afghanistan under the Taliban?
No, that would be a false equivalency. There is such a thing as common decency. The Taliban would ban holding hands or anything like that. I don't see anything wrong with giving a quick kiss on the lips, or hugging each other, holding each other, etc. I do all that kind of stuff with my girlfriend. What we never do is sit in a bar and make out in front of everybody, because both of us are of the belief that nobody cares how much we love each other, and neither of us are infatuated 13 year old teenagers. As I said, I have experience in the bar industry, and heterosexual couples have been asked to leave for this before, and I haven't heard an outcry. I feel these two men are doing a disservice to the LGBT rights movement by making an issue out of something that isn't. Obviously they are resentful of the pub owner, but they are taking it way too far in trying to make this some kind of civil rights issue
17 Apr 2011, 5:03 pm
Vigilans wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Tequila wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
It doesn't matter that it's private property.
They were misbehaving. He told them to stop or get out. They did. Nothing much to it. I would expect the same if it was a heterosexual couple, too. PDAs generally aren't nice to look at over a quiet pint.
Quote:
To say that people can "do what they like as it's their property" is BS. I can't murder someone in my house as i'm a citizen of the UK and have to abide by it's laws.
Firstly, he can do what he likes under his own property as long as he follows the law. He can't murder someone, or rape them, or beat them up, but he can have them thrown out for any (or no) reason unless it's a nakedly discriminatory one (i.e. you're black, you're a Pakistani etc). It's his home (to which the public have access, in much the same way as a supermarket or shopping centre). If I came to your house and started acting the idiot, you would tell me to pack it in or piss off, wouldn't you?
Quote:
This seems like a pretty good discrimination case to me.
I'd hate to see a bad one!
For it to be discrimination the couple would have to prove that the landlord doesn't do the same to heterosexual couples. Which will be difficult in the extreme to prove. No case to answer. Next!
Quote:
I hope they take him all the way to Europe Court of Human rights and he loses his license.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
So you'd be prepared to ruin a guy's livelihood just because he threw some misbehaving customers out? Do you live in the real world?
They weren't misbehaving- they were kissing. According the the guys they were thrown out after giving each other a peck on lips.
Landord said :He added: "When he was asked at quarter to 10 to leave or to stop doing it, if he intended to carry on he should have left them premises, in an orderly fashion, and gone to premises where the matter is accepted and stayed there."
They should have gone to gay bar and stayed there. Sounds like homophobia to me. Given that the couple who refused gays access to a B and B were prosecuted i think they would have a case if they were willing to go the whole hog. Even if it was entirely innocent and he would have done it to straight couple -which i find hard to believe- then the guys a pretty sexually conservative reactionary prude and i'd like to see a country where people could expression open affection wherever they liked. It's not his house it's a place of business. According to you people should be able to turn someone away from there place of business for whatever reason they see fit?
Perhaps he just meant, in their home? Really, I don't like going to bars/pubs/whatever and seeing anybody make out. Who does? Maybe if its just in some corner booth out of view it isn't a big deal... Any case... Its not the place, its immature and inconsiderate. Adults don't do that
btw I wasn't trying to humiliate you with Imaginationland, that was a South Park reference Jamie, sorry, just thought of it randomly
You'd ban public displays of affection then? Like in Afghanistan under the Taliban?
No, that would be a false equivalency. There is such a thing as common decency. The Taliban would ban holding hands or anything like that. I don't see anything wrong with giving a quick kiss on the lips, or hugging each other, holding each other, etc. I do all that kind of stuff with my girlfriend. What we never do is sit in a bar and make out in front of everybody, because both of us are of the belief that nobody cares how much we love each other, and neither of us are infatuated 13 year old teenagers. As I said, I have experience in the bar industry, and heterosexual couples have been asked to leave for this before, and I haven't heard an outcry. I feel these two men are doing a disservice to the LGBT rights movement by making an issue out of something that isn't. Obviously they are resentful of the pub owner, but they are taking it way too far in trying to make this some kind of civil rights issue
The gay's think its a rights issue. I have no reason to disbelieve them. When homosexuality was illegal gay bars sprung up as a place where gentlemen could go to meet. Now that there is supposed to be equal rights i don't see why anything that's allowed in a gay bar should be banned in a straight one. Ok, lets say for argument this particular bar owner isn't a homophobe. What's to stop some other guy who is motivated by homophobia refusing a couple service on the grounds of their sexuality? I don't know what the law is here but there needs to be one and it needs to be well defined. Obviously a free for all where any property owner can turf blacks or gays off "his land" is out of the question.
17 Apr 2011, 5:09 pm
17 Apr 2011, 5:13 pm
I think there is a history of gay people being told to stop kissing in public places that's a factor here. It isn't a new issue. Although Vigilans mentions anecdotal evidence of straights being told to stop. Personally i've never seen a straight couple being told to stop kissing and it happens all the time at gigs. So that's my own anecdotal evidence to counter his. 
17 Apr 2011, 5:16 pm
jamieboy wrote:
I think there is a history of gay people being told to stop kissing in public places that's a factor here. It isn't a new issue. Although Vigilans mentions anecdotal evidence of straights being told to stop. Personally i've never seen a straight couple being told to stop kissing and it happens all the time at gigs. So that's my own anecdotal evidence to counter his.
This is my main issue with this story. We have no idea how heavily they were petting or if other kissing couples are asked to leave that particular pub.
We don't have sufficient information to come to a reasonable conclusion.
17 Apr 2011, 5:50 pm
17 Apr 2011, 5:55 pm
jamieboy wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Tequila wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
It doesn't matter that it's private property.
They were misbehaving. He told them to stop or get out. They did. Nothing much to it. I would expect the same if it was a heterosexual couple, too. PDAs generally aren't nice to look at over a quiet pint.
Quote:
To say that people can "do what they like as it's their property" is BS. I can't murder someone in my house as i'm a citizen of the UK and have to abide by it's laws.
Firstly, he can do what he likes under his own property as long as he follows the law. He can't murder someone, or rape them, or beat them up, but he can have them thrown out for any (or no) reason unless it's a nakedly discriminatory one (i.e. you're black, you're a Pakistani etc). It's his home (to which the public have access, in much the same way as a supermarket or shopping centre). If I came to your house and started acting the idiot, you would tell me to pack it in or piss off, wouldn't you?
Quote:
This seems like a pretty good discrimination case to me.
I'd hate to see a bad one!
For it to be discrimination the couple would have to prove that the landlord doesn't do the same to heterosexual couples. Which will be difficult in the extreme to prove. No case to answer. Next!
Quote:
I hope they take him all the way to Europe Court of Human rights and he loses his license.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
So you'd be prepared to ruin a guy's livelihood just because he threw some misbehaving customers out? Do you live in the real world?
They weren't misbehaving- they were kissing. According the the guys they were thrown out after giving each other a peck on lips.
Landord said :He added: "When he was asked at quarter to 10 to leave or to stop doing it, if he intended to carry on he should have left them premises, in an orderly fashion, and gone to premises where the matter is accepted and stayed there."
They should have gone to gay bar and stayed there. Sounds like homophobia to me. Given that the couple who refused gays access to a B and B were prosecuted i think they would have a case if they were willing to go the whole hog. Even if it was entirely innocent and he would have done it to straight couple -which i find hard to believe- then the guys a pretty sexually conservative reactionary prude and i'd like to see a country where people could expression open affection wherever they liked. It's not his house it's a place of business. According to you people should be able to turn someone away from there place of business for whatever reason they see fit?
Perhaps he just meant, in their home? Really, I don't like going to bars/pubs/whatever and seeing anybody make out. Who does? Maybe if its just in some corner booth out of view it isn't a big deal... Any case... Its not the place, its immature and inconsiderate. Adults don't do that
btw I wasn't trying to humiliate you with Imaginationland, that was a South Park reference Jamie, sorry, just thought of it randomly
You'd ban public displays of affection then? Like in Afghanistan under the Taliban?
No, that would be a false equivalency. There is such a thing as common decency. The Taliban would ban holding hands or anything like that. I don't see anything wrong with giving a quick kiss on the lips, or hugging each other, holding each other, etc. I do all that kind of stuff with my girlfriend. What we never do is sit in a bar and make out in front of everybody, because both of us are of the belief that nobody cares how much we love each other, and neither of us are infatuated 13 year old teenagers. As I said, I have experience in the bar industry, and heterosexual couples have been asked to leave for this before, and I haven't heard an outcry. I feel these two men are doing a disservice to the LGBT rights movement by making an issue out of something that isn't. Obviously they are resentful of the pub owner, but they are taking it way too far in trying to make this some kind of civil rights issue
The gay's think its a rights issue. I have no reason to disbelieve them. When homosexuality was illegal gay bars sprung up as a place where gentlemen could go to meet. Now that there is supposed to be equal rights i don't see why anything that's allowed in a gay bar should be banned in a straight one. Ok, lets say for argument this particular bar owner isn't a homophobe. What's to stop some other guy who is motivated by homophobia refusing a couple service on the grounds of their sexuality? I don't know what the law is here but there needs to be one and it needs to be well defined. Obviously a free for all where any property owner can turf blacks or gays off "his land" is out of the question.
Its really not a civil rights issue, its an issue of common decency. This has nothing to do with refusal of service, and I don't see how punishing this landlord will somehow set a precedent, as he would likely have had no problem with them giving him money if they were respecting his bar's policy. Like I said, I doubt anybody would be crying foul if this had been a straight couple. In fact, it does happen, and nobody cares. These gay men are just trying to enact petty revenge and in so doing are doing a disservice to LGBT rights movements. There are likely many times when gays act openly affectionate and are not told to leave, just like heterosexual couples.
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I'm left wingish, and I'm gay and I agree with the decisions made by the landlord. Well done Landlord dude!
Right. See? This guy is supporting the landlord
17 Apr 2011, 6:05 pm
Vigilans wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
Tequila wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
It doesn't matter that it's private property.
They were misbehaving. He told them to stop or get out. They did. Nothing much to it. I would expect the same if it was a heterosexual couple, too. PDAs generally aren't nice to look at over a quiet pint.
Quote:
To say that people can "do what they like as it's their property" is BS. I can't murder someone in my house as i'm a citizen of the UK and have to abide by it's laws.
Firstly, he can do what he likes under his own property as long as he follows the law. He can't murder someone, or rape them, or beat them up, but he can have them thrown out for any (or no) reason unless it's a nakedly discriminatory one (i.e. you're black, you're a Pakistani etc). It's his home (to which the public have access, in much the same way as a supermarket or shopping centre). If I came to your house and started acting the idiot, you would tell me to pack it in or piss off, wouldn't you?
Quote:
This seems like a pretty good discrimination case to me.
I'd hate to see a bad one!
For it to be discrimination the couple would have to prove that the landlord doesn't do the same to heterosexual couples. Which will be difficult in the extreme to prove. No case to answer. Next!
Quote:
I hope they take him all the way to Europe Court of Human rights and he loses his license.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
So you'd be prepared to ruin a guy's livelihood just because he threw some misbehaving customers out? Do you live in the real world?
They weren't misbehaving- they were kissing. According the the guys they were thrown out after giving each other a peck on lips.
Landord said :He added: "When he was asked at quarter to 10 to leave or to stop doing it, if he intended to carry on he should have left them premises, in an orderly fashion, and gone to premises where the matter is accepted and stayed there."
They should have gone to gay bar and stayed there. Sounds like homophobia to me. Given that the couple who refused gays access to a B and B were prosecuted i think they would have a case if they were willing to go the whole hog. Even if it was entirely innocent and he would have done it to straight couple -which i find hard to believe- then the guys a pretty sexually conservative reactionary prude and i'd like to see a country where people could expression open affection wherever they liked. It's not his house it's a place of business. According to you people should be able to turn someone away from there place of business for whatever reason they see fit?
Perhaps he just meant, in their home? Really, I don't like going to bars/pubs/whatever and seeing anybody make out. Who does? Maybe if its just in some corner booth out of view it isn't a big deal... Any case... Its not the place, its immature and inconsiderate. Adults don't do that
btw I wasn't trying to humiliate you with Imaginationland, that was a South Park reference Jamie, sorry, just thought of it randomly
You'd ban public displays of affection then? Like in Afghanistan under the Taliban?
No, that would be a false equivalency. There is such a thing as common decency. The Taliban would ban holding hands or anything like that. I don't see anything wrong with giving a quick kiss on the lips, or hugging each other, holding each other, etc. I do all that kind of stuff with my girlfriend. What we never do is sit in a bar and make out in front of everybody, because both of us are of the belief that nobody cares how much we love each other, and neither of us are infatuated 13 year old teenagers. As I said, I have experience in the bar industry, and heterosexual couples have been asked to leave for this before, and I haven't heard an outcry. I feel these two men are doing a disservice to the LGBT rights movement by making an issue out of something that isn't. Obviously they are resentful of the pub owner, but they are taking it way too far in trying to make this some kind of civil rights issue
The gay's think its a rights issue. I have no reason to disbelieve them. When homosexuality was illegal gay bars sprung up as a place where gentlemen could go to meet. Now that there is supposed to be equal rights i don't see why anything that's allowed in a gay bar should be banned in a straight one. Ok, lets say for argument this particular bar owner isn't a homophobe. What's to stop some other guy who is motivated by homophobia refusing a couple service on the grounds of their sexuality? I don't know what the law is here but there needs to be one and it needs to be well defined. Obviously a free for all where any property owner can turf blacks or gays off "his land" is out of the question.
Its really not a civil rights issue, its an issue of common decency. This has nothing to do with refusal of service, and I don't see how punishing this landlord will somehow set a precedent, as he would likely have had no problem with them giving him money if they were respecting his bar's policy. Like I said, I doubt anybody would be crying foul if this had been a straight couple. In fact, it does happen, and nobody cares. These gay men are just trying to enact petty revenge and in so doing are doing a disservice to LGBT rights movements. There are likely many times when gays act openly affectionate and are not told to leave, just like heterosexual couples.
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I'm left wingish, and I'm gay and I agree with the decisions made by the landlord. Well done Landlord dude!
Right. See? This guy is supporting the landlord
Had this been the situation of some of my lefty gay friends, then they would say this too "my rights are infringed" b****cks. It just annoys me so much...
17 Apr 2011, 7:25 pm
17 Apr 2011, 7:32 pm
17 Apr 2011, 7:37 pm
Poor benjaminbreeg, one of the many sufferers of Footinmouth Disease... 
