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Ok. I can accept that it was a legitimate NSA website and that the document wasn't put there prankfully by a hacker. (I am imagining a sort of reverse Wiki-Leaks whereby somebody plants a document on a supposedly secure site rather than extracting a document from a supposedly secure site.) This still does not rule out over-interpretation of data. As draelynn noted, natural signals can and have seemed full of intelligent meaning that was just us jumping to conclusions.

The human brain is well known to seek patterns and intention and even impose patterns and intention where none exist. Even if this is actual NSA data (not a prank by a hacker), members of the NSA are stillhumans and still prone to the human desire to see pattern and agency where there is none. I don't accept "seems to be a pattern" as proof of alien attempts at communication. We humans got burned before in seeing agency where there was none (per draelynn's post about SETI) and I am more inclined to believe people are reading more into this than is really there than I am to believe it was an intentional message.

This just looks like the modern-day, scientific equivalent of anthropomorphizing the sun and the weather. Just because there's a pattern doesn't mean there is intentional communication behind that pattern.

That just looks like the international spread of a meme. You might think a 5 year old is too young to be affected by memes, but she wasn't raised in a vaccuum. She's spent 5 years absorbing whatever people say around her. And the people around her aren't culturally isolated anymore the way they may have been 100 years ago. I don't think cultural isolation is even possible anymore, no matter where on the planet you live.

They just discovered a tribe of around 200 people in the Amazon that appears to be untouched by outside civilization - and they estimate that there are probably 14 or so such tribes still existing in the deep forest. Airplanes look like metal birds... And they found them thanks to satellite mapping. Brazil is protecting this stretch of forest so they can remain as untouched as possible. It almost boggles the mind having a modern government have to write policy to allow indigenous culture to remain so and protect their rights in this day and age.

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/22/new-tribe-discovered-amazon]New Amazon Tribe[/url]

I do think it is possible for other people around the world to have NOT been exposed to the cultural phenomenons of Western culture. People think I am some sort of backwards native for not having a cell phone. In general, we are a very egocentric culture - especially in the US. The assumption is always that others MUST know, or be aware of or care about all the same things that we do. It is a very immature point of view that I can intimately identify with - I was like this until well into my twenties. It had never occurred to me that other people didn't think the same way I did. From my singular example, to the disbelief in others lack of our cultural knowledge, to a planetary belief that 'alien worlds' must use the same means of message transmission as us, have a similar planet right down to the blue oceans and white clouds in the atmosphere and that all life MUST have similar conditions as our planet in order for life evolve. Our scientists beleive that all life must have water in order to evolve. Why? Because we do not know any other way - it is our way and we simply cannot break free of our 'science' in order to entertain the vast possibilities of the universe. We align all of our beliefs around what we already know and make a gross assumption - still - that our reality is the center of the universe. Everything must be like us.

At best, we must seem like an infantile species. As a species we still throw temper tantrums. We do not share well with others. We rarely take into account the consequences of todays actions on the future. As a people we live in the moment. No wonder the aliens don't want to go public. Would a child even be able to comprehension the implications? Face it, if the government suddenly said - 'Here, met our neighbors from Alpha Centauri.' people would literally lose their minds. They are not ready for the red pill.

I do believe that media and the whole UFO controversy has been stirred up and kept alive for a single reason... desensitization. There can only be so many weather balloons, ya know?

Yes, there are things that happen that we do not understand. Yes, there are things that exist that we have yet to classify and study and understand. We still haven't figured out WHY the human body works more or less exactly how. Yet, we are trying to explain how the entire universe works. We still have alot of growing up to do.

Yes I agree that memes do travel across the globe at the speed that television and the internet can transmit. The problem I have is the similarity of interpretation of the same memes that seem to transcend culture and geography. I mean if people were abducted by aliens then surely there would be wild discrepancies in the type of beings, abduction experiences and ships etc. But it doesn't seem there is.

In 1994, Harvard Professor of Psychiatry John E. Mack, M.D. traveled to Zimbabwe to study a UFO sighting at the Ariel School in Ruwa, Zimbabwe, sixty-two children between the ages of eight and twelve reported seeing a UFO and “strange beings” during morning recess.

His interviews with the children were posted on the internet and can be seen on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkYtMgFkT8A
Here is a recount of the event.
"It was morning break and they were out in the school yard playing,". "They saw one main silver craft that had four others around it," says Nickerson. "It came down on a hill beyond the school yard that was out of bounds. The boundary was the edge of the school yard, then it was bush and the hill.

"They ran to the edge of the school yard to see what this thing was. They saw this small creature walk around on top of the craft while another came down to check out the children. He was all in black, with a very tight suit. The children said he had big eyes 'like rugby balls'.

"The children had direct eye contact with this creature. There seems to have been some kind of communication with the children about the state of the world -- what we are doing to the planet, the destruction we are causing, although not all the children got this message. Some of the children were traumatised, others were excited. The young children were the most traumatised as they were at the front of the group.

"They all went screaming back to the teachers. The teachers didn't believe them at first. But then they went home and told their parents who came to the school and wanted to know what had happened."

Soon afterwards the children were asked to draw pictures of what they had seen. "They did this separately. The drawings were all the same."

A BBC television crew were first on the scene to follow it up. In November 1994, Harvard professor of psychiatry John E. Mack visited the school and filmed interviews with the children. He was assisted by South African producer Nicky Carter who had already made a short documentary on the subject for the SABC. "I had a half-brother at the school," she says. "He was off sick on the day it happened, but the children told him all about it and he contacted me."

Carter has no doubt the children were telling the truth. "When they were interviewed by Mack with all his professional skills it was clear they were telling the truth -- their voice tone, their body language. They were so consistent, they told their stories with such conviction. And they spoke about it in their own language. One child recalled being told by the alien that we should not be so 'techknowledged' -- why make up something like that?"

A group from Harvard are attempting to do a project on the children.

Contacting those people who had been among the 62 children who had witnessed the sighting. ·They are mainly students in Canada, the United States, New Zealand and Britain.·

"They were affected profoundly,"At the time one girl was told by her parents not to talk about it, that she had imagined it all. But then she found other people·s stories on the Internet. She got in touch with them and realised 'Oh my God, that was real'.

"Others I've met never doubted it. They say the experience opened up new horizons for them."
Two students who are now studying in the U.S. "Their father said they would never have done that, but after their experience the children were totally changed, that·s what convinced him that something really happened."

Well in theory, in the case of SETI there was the issue the "wow" signal which turned out to be a rebounding military transmission rebounding from deep space. The SETI scientists have been staring at monitors for so long (50 years) that anything looking vaguely like a signal would get them excited.



This is true, our cognitive processing can interpret ambiguity in patterns which is what keeps artists in demand.



They might be prone to error like the rest of us. However you are forgetting the NSA also have the largest R&D budgets in the world. Infact I am less inclined to dismiss their research than I would from Harvard or Oxford. Since the demise of project blue book (US taxpayer funded studies of UFOs) in 1969 following the US air force sponsored Condon Report the US government has claimed they have not spent a dime on UFO research and extraterrestrials beyond the sanitized SETI project. So my question stands - why does the NSA still have a Dept of "Extraterrestrial Intelligence" and why does the disclosed documents indicate prior knowledge of (as yet) unknown evidence that messages like these come from "intelligent life"?

Despite my enthusiasm I am cyncial that the NSA will reveal anything further than what was requested in 1980 (remember it has taken more than 30 years for them to respond!). As Draelyn suggests the disclosure is part of a possible desensitization toward the announcement the US government have known of the existence of UFOs since World War 2 when air force pilots became distressed at the sight of flying saucers and lights following them as they went into combat.

What amazes me is how governments have kept this under wraps for so long?

It's not amazing at all. People in general don't want to hear about things that conflict with what they are used to, and, along with that, it's easy to ridicule, belittle or ignore a minority that has managed to see things differently. That's all it takes.

And some people will believe anything, as long as the claim is based on a mere suspicion.

Very true, however the UFO phenomena is based on evidence. There is radar tracking that you can view that show objects appeared near commercial and airforce fighters, observed by pilots and tracked doing speeds in excess of the fastest planes in existence and able to stop in the mid-air and hover.

The US government knows they can fool most of the people some of the time but not all of the time. The latest public opinion polls from US media CNN and MNSBC suggests that in excess of 2/3 Americans believe the government is hiding information on the UFO phenomena from the public.

Looks like the tax payer demands for transparency may win out eventually.

A guide to invasion.

We are now finding many planets around other stars, and the prime canidates for life will be watched We have announced our presence since radio.

Now how do we invade? Radio is simple, humans did it. Somewhat intelligent life.

Overpopulation and excess resource use are likely signs of early intelligence.

Plotted on a graph, ten developing intelligence planets likely have the same die back point. The math gets them, we are seven billion on our way to a trillion, we will not make it. The farther we do make it, the harder the crash.

So the best time to get in is just after the crash.

The next problem is Biology, alien biology will kill you. It is said that mixing with the Neanderthal made for resistance to northern germs, which would have killed Sapiens.

The best way to deal with it is take local samples, and breed an intermediate species. We infect horses with disease, take their blood, and extract serum, which transfers the immunity to humans.

Besides germs, there is digesting the local food. Gut bacteria, and all those anal probe stories. Breeding back to the main line, we now have an immunity to germs, and an ability to digest food.

After the die back, killing off the remainder is not good. Besides being unethical, they can be slave labor. All gene pools are worth saving, for lab experiments.

Earth has many problems, they will be self solving when the dominate species that is causing them is reduced to under a hundred million.

This is when the Space Brothers come in peace to save them. They will be glad to labor in the fields producing new foods, that just happen to limit their fertility. As the mass die off will happen over generations, education will be the first thing to go, the survivors will be the ones eating seeds and roots in the fields. Economy and technology will not last when 10% a year die.

The new population will have an immunity to disease, the ability to digest food, and from the interest in cattle mutilation, perhaps grass.

All of the metals ever produced will be laying around. After twenty years some areas will revert to wilderness, but there will be cities that were kept up. They fell because of lack of food, but would be easy to refurbish. The US Capital, the Washington Monument, will be available, and many solid stone houses, The brownstones of the upper East side. Overlooking the landing site in Central Park.

A large population can be moved in quickly. Rats, insects, dogs, and other city vermin can be dispatched. The water and sewer systems will be functional.

The intermediate species will become the overseers of the survivors, kept on the farmlands. They will have no way to travel except on foot, and old stories of the evil that happened in cities, can be worked into the new religion. Almost all resources will be available for the colony. Well managed it can support billions.

With a locator chip in all of the locals, they will never revolt or run away. They will, but they will die. They will soon be a domestic species, safe to use for household work.

One planet will only serve as a base for seeking others. It is just business, move in when they are bankrupt, do a turnaround, seek other investments.

Slavery and pilliaging are harsh terms. On their own they might all die, and the materials needed to build a new fleet, are common. What would be removed, metals for ships, stores of food and water. Most of the cost is in intelligent use of common materials. The locals can be used for food production, and for scavenging metals. Everything else falls on the invaders.

Every species in the universe can only live in a narrow range. All locations within that range are fair game. Just building a trade network across a single galaxy would take hundreds of planets. Each planet would produce food and water to be launched, as filling stations along the route. Much like a tanker truck filling cars while driving the interstate. These would have food, water, and spare parts. By the time they reach the far end of the route, they can be gathered for habitats in orbit.

Most of the cargo for trade would be intellectual property. Seeds cannot be sent by radio. Embryos, species from other worlds who have talents and can be used as household staff. Some can be bred to run the trade ships across routes that take hundreds of years.

In the universe time and distance are vast. While it could take a hundred thousand years to turn humans into a truely intelligent species, it is worth the investment, and they will pay for it working the farms. The eventual goal is they supply the space lanes, and become a market for intellectual property. At a billion, and smarter, they would have a high quality of life. They might someday add something to the sum of knowledge.

Waiting till they crash, breeding the best of their genetics, putting them on the slow road to becoming intelligent, a hundred thousand or a million years, is nothing in the span of universal time.

All species are their genetics, and as such each has a different point of view. As such, we need them all. We are captives in the range we can live in, and those with the most knowledge say, get used to Physics, it is not going to change.

Putting post crash species into a program of learning through work is the same slavery we subject children to. Someday they grow up, then we tax them.

I find a message from outer space undefined. These things have direction. Is it from another star system, or does the doppler effect show it is coming from moving ships coming closer. Flying saucers seem short range craft, which points to a base already established. Abductions would point to the first steps of building immunity, they do land and walk around, but no reports of them eating yet. They seem to follow the Prime Directive better than Star Trek.

They are here, they are waiting.

Will we try to double the population? Will we pull back from the brink? All out atomic war? The last would be the destruction of a rare habital planet, and they would be justified in exterminating a species that is that dumb.

The stars are very far away.

We cannot get to them and they cannot get to us. If that were not so, they would be been here already.

ruveyn

"Scotty, can you give me warp (factor) 9?"

The distance is too great even at .999 light speed. If you couldn't fold space as in Dune, you'd need immortality, and even so if in a "hibernation." And how could one know their destination? Would you 'Christopher Columbus it' hoping and hopping from star to star?

Folding space is fiction (at this stage). Warp Speed is fiction (at this stage) and furthermore there is barely the slightest hint in the most advanced physics we have that light speed can be exceeded by a massive body. Current theory requires infinite energy to get a massive body to go at light speed. Do you know where we can get infinite energy all at once? I don't.

ruveyn

While all that it is true, your arguments is dependent upon any alien society that may visit us having the same level of understanding of physics that we do.

What about reports of about 7 or 8 other races that people claimed to have encountered over the years?

I understand from the UFO Disclosure conference, held at the Washington Press Club in 2009, that these races are all related/connected to each other.
three common ones;
a, Hybrid Human/Grays - these appear to be byproducts of Grays abduction experiments and older ones are often involved in communicating or sedating abductees. One curious observation is the hybrids appear nordic even to non-European abductees.

b. Grays - there are about 4-5 although classification is problematic given the current need to prove their existence in the first place. Common types include short grays, tall grays and coloured grays (often green or blue)

c. Reptilian - third most common, some contradictory reports that they are peaceful but many abductees claim they were raped by them as well? bit of an unknown,

I am not aware of any other common alien types although some reports in the 1950s reported little green men that resembled goblins. Later analysis of the reports indicates they could well have been small coloured grays (see b).

Possibly if you assume they have 21st century human technology then the modus operandi would be send ships with hibernation chambers and mining equipment and self containing biospheres to the nearest habitable planet in the next galaxy using robot operated AI ship controls.

After a few million years it reaches it's destination and the colony is woken up from cryogenic slumber by the ship's AI computer and then they proceed to colonise the earth like planet. After a few hundred or thousand years they may well fund a further expedition to the next galaxy.

Using this cryogenic planet hopping technique they could certainly reach earth eventually,