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15 Jul 2011, 11:53 pm

Money does not turn people, it only expresses their true character
a good person with loads of money uses it to benifit people, and a bad person with loads of money uses it to be a social parasite.

Capitalism itself is parasitic in nature.
We use our labor to fill the pockets of the giants that own us and then use our money from that labor to buy servives and goods of capitalism in order to survine.
We are food for the machine, but when the level of greed sucks the people dry...then economic colapse.

The only way out of this is to be totally self reliant, growing your own food, making your own tools, making your own supplies, building your own house, creating your own energy and growing a cash crop for market while bartering with others for what you dont have.
Its not a high life, but it is a meaningful one. This does not turn one into the dark ages...it simply shows that you can step off the rat wheel. I highly recomend reading "The good life", by helen nearing She and her husband lived outside of capitalism for 75 years and lived well during the great depression and beyond. She uses a strict schedule and organization and careful planning to keep labor to a minumum while getting the most benefit from that labor. I dont call this a bunch of ignorant fools who are doomed to the dark ages, but they in no way partisipate in capitalism, in fact both were college educated anthropoligists their whole lives were a science experiment to find the most effective way to live independant of capitalism. It is a worthwise read.


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16 Jul 2011, 12:15 am

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Money does not turn people, it only expresses their true character
a good person with loads of money uses it to benifit people, and a bad person with loads of money uses it to be a social parasite.

Capitalism itself is parasitic in nature.
We use our labor to fill the pockets of the giants that own us and then use our money from that labor to buy servives and goods of capitalism in order to survine.
We are food for the machine, but when the level of greed sucks the people dry...then economic colapse.

The only way out of this is to be totally self reliant, growing your own food, making your own tools, making your own supplies, building your own house, creating your own energy and growing a cash crop for market while bartering with others for what you dont have.
Its not a high life, but it is a meaningful one. This does not turn one into the dark ages...it simply shows that you can step off the rat wheel. I highly recomend reading "The good life", by helen nearing She and her husband lived outside of capitalism for 75 years and lived well during the great depression and beyond. She uses a strict schedule and organization and careful planning to keep labor to a minumum while getting the most benefit from that labor. I dont call this a bunch of ignorant fools who are doomed to the dark ages, but they in no way partisipate in capitalism, in fact both were college educated anthropoligists their whole lives were a science experiment to find the most effective way to live independant of capitalism. It is a worthwise read.


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16 Jul 2011, 12:36 am

The dominio effect begins

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/15/r ... to-resign/


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16 Jul 2011, 2:31 am

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I dislike greedy media giants who try to force their agendas down our throats instead of helping us think for ourselves.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. "helping us think for ourselves"? Seriously?

Thinking for yourself isn't something that you need help doing. You either do it or you don't.

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Also, by saying we would be nowhere without the rich, you're basically implying that poor people are ignorant, stupid and not worth anything. You're insulting everybody who doesn't have a high income.

No, he's saying that there are some things that are incredibly useful and hence incredibly well-paying. If the person who does this sort of thing started out poor, he won't stay that way. His way of referring to them was 'those who take wealth seriously'.

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I couldn't become rich if I tried because honestly there are no decent jobs out there for regular working class folks like myself.

Working class jobs, even decent ones, don't make you rich.

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I think money is dangerous because it turns people.

Into what? Zombies? Vampires? Cabbages?


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I don't know whether to laugh or cry. "helping us think for ourselves"? Seriously?


*instead of leaving us alone and reporting the news neutrally, and letting us think for ourselves. Sorry if that didn't make sense; I should have proofread it. I don't mind you pointing out a mistake, but please don't do it in such a nasty vindictive way please. I dislike it when people do that.

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Into what? Zombies? Vampires? Cabbages?


I think it makes people evil. It brings the worst out in human nature. Thats my opinion. Now please leave me alone to get on with MY life please.

I shouldn't have posted in this damn thread... FML.



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16 Jul 2011, 3:43 am

I'm sorry my post sounded nasty, that was not my intent.

I have a habit of being excessively blunt sometimes, but I am trying to work on that.

Regarding the 'think for ourselves' thing, I've seen people support all kinds of crazy ideas, so it didn't occur to me at all that you might have meant something slightly different (and much more reasonable) than what the words said in a literal sense.

I really don't have an excuse for the way I phrased my objection to your other comment. I'm sorry.


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16 Jul 2011, 3:32 pm

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ruveyn wrote:
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Its one of those domino effect things just getting started expecailly if he is taken to court and convicted.



Are you wishfully thinking or thinking wishfully ?

ruveyn


I read on verizon moble news today that many investors are pulling out of alot of Murdoch's media, not just the tabloids either, so we will just have to see how this plays out.


I'm sure that liberals like you are salivating over the idea of shutting down the strongest voices of opposition against you. You want to know how Conservatives and Liberals are different, Conservatives don't like what someone is saying, they change the channel; Liberals call for the people they don't like to be silenced.

Difference between Soros and Murdoch, is Soros would try to demonize the people coming out about the hacking, Murdoch is appalled at what happened and didn't authorize it.

You all are crowing about this as though Murdoch was evilly out to hack people, when what has come out actually seems to suggest that he didn't know this was happening.



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16 Jul 2011, 11:24 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
jojobean wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
jojobean wrote:

Its one of those domino effect things just getting started expecailly if he is taken to court and convicted.



Are you wishfully thinking or thinking wishfully ?

ruveyn


I read on verizon moble news today that many investors are pulling out of alot of Murdoch's media, not just the tabloids either, so we will just have to see how this plays out.


I'm sure that liberals like you are salivating over the idea of shutting down the strongest voices of opposition against you. You want to know how Conservatives and Liberals are different, Conservatives don't like what someone is saying, they change the channel; Liberals call for the people they don't like to be silenced.

Difference between Soros and Murdoch, is Soros would try to demonize the people coming out about the hacking, Murdoch is appalled at what happened and didn't authorize it.

You all are crowing about this as though Murdoch was evilly out to hack people, when what has come out actually seems to suggest that he didn't know this was happening.


I doubt he did not know because the problem was not just with one tabloid but several other media sources he owned as well. Something that epidemic could not have slid past him unnoticed...if it did then he must have been in a coma. Just because he said he didn't know doesn't mean anything....people lie to get out of an accusation...its pretty common.

He did not come out about it...his company was busted, there is a big difference.

I am not liberal, nor am I conservative. I am a hodge-podge mix of both.

As far as just turning the channel when you all dont agree with something instead of elinating it...explain your stance on abortion in regards to "turning the channel".


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16 Jul 2011, 11:31 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
jojobean wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
jojobean wrote:

Its one of those domino effect things just getting started expecailly if he is taken to court and convicted.



Are you wishfully thinking or thinking wishfully ?

ruveyn


I read on verizon moble news today that many investors are pulling out of alot of Murdoch's media, not just the tabloids either, so we will just have to see how this plays out.


I'm sure that liberals like you are salivating over the idea of shutting down the strongest voices of opposition against you. You want to know how Conservatives and Liberals are different, Conservatives don't like what someone is saying, they change the channel; Liberals call for the people they don't like to be silenced.

Difference between Soros and Murdoch, is Soros would try to demonize the people coming out about the hacking, Murdoch is appalled at what happened and didn't authorize it.

You all are crowing about this as though Murdoch was evilly out to hack people, when what has come out actually seems to suggest that he didn't know this was happening.


Actually, when conservatives try to ban something on prime time of late night TV for sexual or violent content, it's usually the liberals who tell them they should just change the channel.

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17 Jul 2011, 6:54 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
jojobean wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
jojobean wrote:

Its one of those domino effect things just getting started expecailly if he is taken to court and convicted.



Are you wishfully thinking or thinking wishfully ?

ruveyn


I read on verizon moble news today that many investors are pulling out of alot of Murdoch's media, not just the tabloids either, so we will just have to see how this plays out.


I'm sure that liberals like you are salivating over the idea of shutting down the strongest voices of opposition against you. You want to know how Conservatives and Liberals are different, Conservatives don't like what someone is saying, they change the channel; Liberals call for the people they don't like to be silenced.

Difference between Soros and Murdoch, is Soros would try to demonize the people coming out about the hacking, Murdoch is appalled at what happened and didn't authorize it.

You all are crowing about this as though Murdoch was evilly out to hack people, when what has come out actually seems to suggest that he didn't know this was happening.


Actually, when conservatives try to ban something on prime time of late night TV for sexual or violent content, it's usually the liberals who tell them they should just change the channel.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Yeah, it purely educational for a young child to see people's junk splashed all over the screen... :roll: Is there such thing as decency anymore?



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17 Jul 2011, 7:12 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
jojobean wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
jojobean wrote:

Its one of those domino effect things just getting started expecailly if he is taken to court and convicted.



Are you wishfully thinking or thinking wishfully ?

ruveyn


I read on verizon moble news today that many investors are pulling out of alot of Murdoch's media, not just the tabloids either, so we will just have to see how this plays out.


I'm sure that liberals like you are salivating over the idea of shutting down the strongest voices of opposition against you. You want to know how Conservatives and Liberals are different, Conservatives don't like what someone is saying, they change the channel; Liberals call for the people they don't like to be silenced.

Difference between Soros and Murdoch, is Soros would try to demonize the people coming out about the hacking, Murdoch is appalled at what happened and didn't authorize it.

You all are crowing about this as though Murdoch was evilly out to hack people, when what has come out actually seems to suggest that he didn't know this was happening.


Actually, when conservatives try to ban something on prime time of late night TV for sexual or violent content, it's usually the liberals who tell them they should just change the channel.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Yeah, it purely educational for a young child to see people's junk splashed all over the screen... :roll: Is there such thing as decency anymore?


My point being, conservatives are the ones in such cases who think things have to be removed from viewing.
As for there not being anymore decency in this world - well, definitely parents can change the channel if they don't want their kids to see it. But the rest of us shouldn't be deprived of something just because some repressed evanglicans think they know better than the rest of us about what should and shouldn't be banned.

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17 Jul 2011, 7:28 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
jojobean wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
jojobean wrote:

Its one of those domino effect things just getting started expecailly if he is taken to court and convicted.



Are you wishfully thinking or thinking wishfully ?

ruveyn


I read on verizon moble news today that many investors are pulling out of alot of Murdoch's media, not just the tabloids either, so we will just have to see how this plays out.


I'm sure that liberals like you are salivating over the idea of shutting down the strongest voices of opposition against you. You want to know how Conservatives and Liberals are different, Conservatives don't like what someone is saying, they change the channel; Liberals call for the people they don't like to be silenced.

Difference between Soros and Murdoch, is Soros would try to demonize the people coming out about the hacking, Murdoch is appalled at what happened and didn't authorize it.

You all are crowing about this as though Murdoch was evilly out to hack people, when what has come out actually seems to suggest that he didn't know this was happening.


Inuyasha in all honesty you should be happy. Murdoch is a dishonest and disreputable man and his manipulation of the world media for political ends paints conservatism in a bad light and takes people's attention away from real issues. I almost get the impression from you that you feel that Fox and Murdoch's empire are THE voice of conservatism- it does not have to be that way. I'm hoping this will lead to more integrity from the Fox News Network or the usurpation of the top conservative title by a better network. Now before you go on talking about MSNBC or liberal media I also consider a lot of that stuff disreputable as well. Conservative media might just be the luckiest bunch right now because their 'evil mogul' might be on the out. The left's 'evil mogul/s' might shortly follow with the expected additional scrutiny of organizations like this



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17 Jul 2011, 8:33 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
jojobean wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
jojobean wrote:

Its one of those domino effect things just getting started expecailly if he is taken to court and convicted.



Are you wishfully thinking or thinking wishfully ?

ruveyn


I read on verizon moble news today that many investors are pulling out of alot of Murdoch's media, not just the tabloids either, so we will just have to see how this plays out.


I'm sure that liberals like you are salivating over the idea of shutting down the strongest voices of opposition against you. You want to know how Conservatives and Liberals are different, Conservatives don't like what someone is saying, they change the channel; Liberals call for the people they don't like to be silenced.

Difference between Soros and Murdoch, is Soros would try to demonize the people coming out about the hacking, Murdoch is appalled at what happened and didn't authorize it.

You all are crowing about this as though Murdoch was evilly out to hack people, when what has come out actually seems to suggest that he didn't know this was happening.


Inuyasha in all honesty you should be happy. Murdoch is a dishonest and disreputable man and his manipulation of the world media for political ends paints conservatism in a bad light and takes people's attention away from real issues. I almost get the impression from you that you feel that Fox and Murdoch's empire are THE voice of conservatism- it does not have to be that way. I'm hoping this will lead to more integrity from the Fox News Network or the usurpation of the top conservative title by a better network. Now before you go on talking about MSNBC or liberal media I also consider a lot of that stuff disreputable as well. Conservative media might just be the luckiest bunch right now because their 'evil mogul' might be on the out. The left's 'evil mogul/s' might shortly follow with the expected additional scrutiny of organizations like this


:roll:

Riiigghhtt....

There is no other television News Outlet in the United States that is remotely conservative, and none of the other outlets have a shred of integrity anymore. You may as well call them the propaganda wing of the DNC.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of this or some of the more recent stuff will be manufactured evidence.

How about you look at the coverage of the other media outlets towards Obama, and compare their coverage of George W. Bush to that.



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17 Jul 2011, 10:04 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
jojobean wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
jojobean wrote:

Its one of those domino effect things just getting started expecailly if he is taken to court and convicted.



Are you wishfully thinking or thinking wishfully ?

ruveyn


I read on verizon moble news today that many investors are pulling out of alot of Murdoch's media, not just the tabloids either, so we will just have to see how this plays out.


I'm sure that liberals like you are salivating over the idea of shutting down the strongest voices of opposition against you. You want to know how Conservatives and Liberals are different, Conservatives don't like what someone is saying, they change the channel; Liberals call for the people they don't like to be silenced.

Difference between Soros and Murdoch, is Soros would try to demonize the people coming out about the hacking, Murdoch is appalled at what happened and didn't authorize it.

You all are crowing about this as though Murdoch was evilly out to hack people, when what has come out actually seems to suggest that he didn't know this was happening.


Inuyasha in all honesty you should be happy. Murdoch is a dishonest and disreputable man and his manipulation of the world media for political ends paints conservatism in a bad light and takes people's attention away from real issues. I almost get the impression from you that you feel that Fox and Murdoch's empire are THE voice of conservatism- it does not have to be that way. I'm hoping this will lead to more integrity from the Fox News Network or the usurpation of the top conservative title by a better network. Now before you go on talking about MSNBC or liberal media I also consider a lot of that stuff disreputable as well. Conservative media might just be the luckiest bunch right now because their 'evil mogul' might be on the out. The left's 'evil mogul/s' might shortly follow with the expected additional scrutiny of organizations like this


Thats actually one of the most intelgent things said on this thread so far.
Inuyasha...do you WORK for fox news...I mean you defend them like they are your bread and butter even when they are clearly wrong


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17 Jul 2011, 11:09 pm

jojobean wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
jojobean wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
jojobean wrote:

Its one of those domino effect things just getting started expecailly if he is taken to court and convicted.



Are you wishfully thinking or thinking wishfully ?

ruveyn


I read on verizon moble news today that many investors are pulling out of alot of Murdoch's media, not just the tabloids either, so we will just have to see how this plays out.


I'm sure that liberals like you are salivating over the idea of shutting down the strongest voices of opposition against you. You want to know how Conservatives and Liberals are different, Conservatives don't like what someone is saying, they change the channel; Liberals call for the people they don't like to be silenced.

Difference between Soros and Murdoch, is Soros would try to demonize the people coming out about the hacking, Murdoch is appalled at what happened and didn't authorize it.

You all are crowing about this as though Murdoch was evilly out to hack people, when what has come out actually seems to suggest that he didn't know this was happening.


Inuyasha in all honesty you should be happy. Murdoch is a dishonest and disreputable man and his manipulation of the world media for political ends paints conservatism in a bad light and takes people's attention away from real issues. I almost get the impression from you that you feel that Fox and Murdoch's empire are THE voice of conservatism- it does not have to be that way. I'm hoping this will lead to more integrity from the Fox News Network or the usurpation of the top conservative title by a better network. Now before you go on talking about MSNBC or liberal media I also consider a lot of that stuff disreputable as well. Conservative media might just be the luckiest bunch right now because their 'evil mogul' might be on the out. The left's 'evil mogul/s' might shortly follow with the expected additional scrutiny of organizations like this


Thats actually one of the most intelgent things said on this thread so far.
Inuyasha...do you WORK for fox news...I mean you defend them like they are your bread and butter even when they are clearly wrong


Correction, it was another subsidiary of News Corp that was responsible.

Anyways, I don't work for Fox News, I just have been following things closely enough to have heard about some of the shannigans pulled by the left to be rather cynical about this.



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17 Jul 2011, 11:18 pm

You didn't hear about said shenanigans from Fox, did you?

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18 Jul 2011, 12:49 am

The ultra con media and leftist media remind me alot of the climate scientists on both sides putting the climate readers in areas that promote their viewpoint...meanwhile, nobody knows what the f*ck is really going on.

Everyone in the media has an agenda nowdays...but within that agenda, if you go digging, you can find the truth.

I find there are so many forces in our culture that are causing folks to be polarized and I believe this to keep the underclass from uniting against the power elite because there are more of us than them. They want division in the US so they put out all of this contridicting information to keep us fighting each other so we wont notice what they are really doing.
Thats why I say they are really one party acting as two.


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