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07 Jan 2012, 4:20 pm

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If Israels security is dependent on nuclear weapons the cost of its security will be too great.

agreed.

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07 Jan 2012, 4:36 pm

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Well its not to hard to look up the history and trace the current violence back to it. Its not like the Palestinians where the ones setting up a nation in the midst of land people already lived on. That does not justify rocket launching or suicide bombing, and there is not a lot to justify some of what Israel does to Palestine.

Here's an interesting viewpoint from an Israeli soldier that was active during that time.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS4OXOom_vk[/youtube]

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07 Jan 2012, 5:07 pm

snapcap wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

Here's an interesting viewpoint from an Israeli soldier that was active during that time.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS4OXOom_vk[/youtube]

I was just waiting for Neumann to say that they were just following orders.

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07 Jan 2012, 5:35 pm

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I was just waiting for Neumann to say that they were just following orders.

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An American settler taking "injun" territory would have said the same thing. That is how the West was won. Americans killed injuns, and took their land.

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07 Jan 2012, 5:39 pm

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So their solution is to persecute the Palestinians..

When it comes to dealing with Iran, Palestine is a separate issue.

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07 Jan 2012, 5:48 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

I was just waiting for Neumann to say that they were just following orders.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

An American settler taking "injun" territory would have said the same thing. That is how the West was won. Americans killed injuns, and took their land.

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Absolutely true. My Dad's people had settled on land taken from the Sioux in South Dakota, not long after Little Big Horn.

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07 Jan 2012, 5:51 pm

Therefore the real solution to peace is to make the entire middle east a nuclear free zone. That includes Israel, Iran, Pakistan and India.

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07 Jan 2012, 10:38 pm

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Therefore the real solution to peace is to make the entire middle east a nuclear free zone. That includes Israel, Iran, Pakistan and India.

Please elaborate.

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07 Jan 2012, 11:03 pm

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An American settler taking "injun" territory would have said the same thing. That is how the West was won. Americans killed injuns, and took their land.

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If that was happening today, then that would be another WTF event to grip about. I would be against the act, and I wouldn't want my country to do what they did then to anyone, and I would be against my country aiding another country to commit the act.

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08 Jan 2012, 12:25 am

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08 Jan 2012, 12:34 am

Now that Israel has lost their monopoly of nuclear weapons they rely on the strategy of deterrence which means mutually assured destruction in the event of a nuclear war. However deterrence can fail when faced with an enemy who is willing to die in a nuclear war. So now Israel wants to regain her monopoly of nuclear weapons in the middle east by waging a war with Iran.

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08 Jan 2012, 12:47 am

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But in return this also get China, India, and North Korea Involved that would force North Korea to attack the West Coast of the United States with Miniture Warheads that can destory 1000 yards of land and damage an area of 1 Mile in distance, some that North Korea has been urging to want to do to the US Bases and it's surrounding areas.

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08 Jan 2012, 2:54 am

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At which point we obliterate N. Korea. So thoroughly that a blade of grass would not grow there for the next ten thousand years.

The Romans understood this very. Look what that did to Carthage.

Delenda Cartago est.

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08 Jan 2012, 3:49 am

Nuclear deterrence is no longer a defense for Israel when faced with an enemy willing to commit suicide in order to see Israel's destruction. But that is what happens when any nation trusts in its insane weapons rather than God.

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08 Jan 2012, 4:12 am

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Israel has always used the argument that they needed nuclear weapons because that is the only way that they could defend themselves lest they become overrun by Arab countries. This works only if Israel has a monopoly on the atomic bomb. Now that Israel has lost their monopoly of nuclear weapons they rely on the strategy of deterrence which means mutually assured destruction in the event of a nuclear war. However deterrence can fail when faced with an enemy who is willing to die in a nuclear war. So now Israel wants to regain her monopoly of nuclear weapons in the middle east by waging a war with Iran.

We allow Israel to have nuclear weapons and threaten Iran over doing the same for the same reason that most states give concealed handgun licenses to law-abiding citizens and arrest crackheads and gang members for laying a finger on a gun. Notice that the Saudis and other Arab League nations that don't play well with Israel aren't worried about national security issues due to Israel's stockpile. Iran has been threatening to destroy Israel for 33 years now, they have been sending weapons to terrorist groups actively fighting Israel, and now in the midst of their increasingly hostile rhetoric they built a breeder reactor and underground refining facilities. If Iran does not cease it's nuclear program, war is imminent. If Israel strikes per-emptively, they can keep the casualties down on both sides. You are correct that mutually assured destruction would not work as well as it did between the US and soviets, and that's why even a Israeli pre-emtive strike is a lesser evil than MAD.

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08 Jan 2012, 4:14 am

Jeffrey228 wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

Uhhhhh...did you get your information from a new version of Command and Conquer that I haven't heard about?

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