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10 Jan 2013, 8:23 am

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If you're going to stand up for a certain personal liberty, at least do it for one that is worthwhile. I think one does not stand up for liberty as a whole when resigning over something like this - simply because the effect of her actions will be limited to her not having a nursing career. There is no positive outcome from her actions.

She stood up for her liberty and her beliefs by resigning, which she has every right to do. Unless you're saying she should be forced to take the shots anyway, which, er, isn't very liberal at all.

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10 Jan 2013, 1:47 pm

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She stood up for her liberty and her beliefs by resigning, which she has every right to do. Unless you're saying she should be forced to take the shots anyway, which, er, isn't very liberal at all.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying she had the right to resign but it was not an effective protest at all.

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10 Jan 2013, 2:06 pm

Umm... She did not resign. She filed two appeals to keep her job and not take the shot.

Her appeals were denied and she was fired.

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10 Jan 2013, 2:06 pm

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I'm not saying that. I'm saying she had the right to resign but it was not an effective protest at all.

We agree, then.

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10 Jan 2013, 2:10 pm

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Umm... She did not resign. She filed two appeals to keep her job and not take the shot.

Her appeals were denied and she was fired.

I know. At the time I made the post he quoted, I thought she had resigned.

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10 Jan 2013, 2:12 pm

Someone's imaginary friend had nothing to do with this case, I hope? Just wondering.

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10 Jan 2013, 6:10 pm

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http://news.yahoo.com/nurses-fired-refusing-flu-shot-224637902--abc-news-health.html

I say she is brave for taking a stand for personal choice.

Goonsquad is correct. Her actions put patients at risk so the correct action was to sack her.

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10 Jan 2013, 8:53 pm

PM wrote:

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PM wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/nurses-fired-refusing-flu-shot-224637902--abc-news-health.html

I say she is brave for taking a stand for personal choice.

Goonsquad is correct. Her actions put patients at risk so the correct action was to sack her.

'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few'
Mr Spock, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

Safety is meaningless if it costs one person any amount of freedom.

So I should be free to come and swing a club at your head, then? After all, freedom is more important than safety.

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10 Jan 2013, 9:19 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:

PM wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

PM wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/nurses-fired-refusing-flu-shot-224637902--abc-news-health.html

I say she is brave for taking a stand for personal choice.

Goonsquad is correct. Her actions put patients at risk so the correct action was to sack her.

'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few'
Mr Spock, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

Safety is meaningless if it costs one person any amount of freedom.

So I should be free to come and swing a club at your head, then? After all, freedom is more important than safety.

Freedom ends when you infringe on the rights of another.

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10 Jan 2013, 9:27 pm

PM wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

PM wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

PM wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/nurses-fired-refusing-flu-shot-224637902--abc-news-health.html

I say she is brave for taking a stand for personal choice.

Goonsquad is correct. Her actions put patients at risk so the correct action was to sack her.

'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few'
Mr Spock, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

Safety is meaningless if it costs one person any amount of freedom.

So I should be free to come and swing a club at your head, then? After all, freedom is more important than safety.

Freedom ends when you infringe on the rights of another.

Yes, particularly the right not to be put at risk of death or serious illness by the actions of others.

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10 Jan 2013, 9:31 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:

PM wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

PM wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

PM wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/nurses-fired-refusing-flu-shot-224637902--abc-news-health.html

I say she is brave for taking a stand for personal choice.

Goonsquad is correct. Her actions put patients at risk so the correct action was to sack her.

'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few'
Mr Spock, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

Safety is meaningless if it costs one person any amount of freedom.

So I should be free to come and swing a club at your head, then? After all, freedom is more important than safety.

Freedom ends when you infringe on the rights of another.

Yes, particularly the right not to be put at risk of death or serious illness by the actions of others.

Still, you have the right to refuse, but assault with a deadly weapon is not a right. Something being forced on you (in this case, a flu shot) is an infringement on your right to have control over your own body, regardless of the safety of others.

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11 Jan 2013, 12:45 am

PM wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

PM wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

PM wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

PM wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/nurses-fired-refusing-flu-shot-224637902--abc-news-health.html

I say she is brave for taking a stand for personal choice.

Goonsquad is correct. Her actions put patients at risk so the correct action was to sack her.

'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few'
Mr Spock, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

Safety is meaningless if it costs one person any amount of freedom.

So I should be free to come and swing a club at your head, then? After all, freedom is more important than safety.

Freedom ends when you infringe on the rights of another.

Yes, particularly the right not to be put at risk of death or serious illness by the actions of others.

And if she had influenza, the patients who she could have passed it on to wouldn't have been able to avoid her, as they would be sick and confined to their beds.
Nothing wrong with refusing in itself, but she shouldn't expect to be allowed around people who are more vulnerable to illness.

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11 Jan 2013, 1:01 am

Who_Am_I wrote:

PM wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

PM wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

PM wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

PM wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/nurses-fired-refusing-flu-shot-224637902--abc-news-health.html

I say she is brave for taking a stand for personal choice.

Goonsquad is correct. Her actions put patients at risk so the correct action was to sack her.

'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few'
Mr Spock, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

Safety is meaningless if it costs one person any amount of freedom.

So I should be free to come and swing a club at your head, then? After all, freedom is more important than safety.

Freedom ends when you infringe on the rights of another.

Yes, particularly the right not to be put at risk of death or serious illness by the actions of others.

Of course not, was she right to refuse because of her job? no. The fact of the matter is that he exercised her right to control her own body.

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11 Jan 2013, 1:13 am

PM wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

PM wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

PM wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

PM wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

PM wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/nurses-fired-refusing-flu-shot-224637902--abc-news-health.html

I say she is brave for taking a stand for personal choice.

Goonsquad is correct. Her actions put patients at risk so the correct action was to sack her.

'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few'
Mr Spock, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

Safety is meaningless if it costs one person any amount of freedom.

So I should be free to come and swing a club at your head, then? After all, freedom is more important than safety.

Freedom ends when you infringe on the rights of another.

Yes, particularly the right not to be put at risk of death or serious illness by the actions of others.

Of course not, was she right to refuse because of her job? no. The fact of the matter is that he exercised her right to control her own body.

And in doing so, breached the terms of her contract with the hospital, if I recall the article correctly. And risked putting vulnerable people in danger.

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11 Jan 2013, 7:47 am

Who_Am_I wrote:

Again, you're missing the point.

She exercised her freedom by refusing the flu shot.
The hospital exercised their freedom by refusing to employ someone who refused the flu shot.
The patients were protected and their freedom from potential further harm was maintained, as someone who hadn't had the flu shot wouldn't be allowed to work there.

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11 Jan 2013, 12:26 pm

PM wrote:

Safety is meaningless if it costs one person any amount of freedom.

What a foolish, romantic and utterly asinine notion.

If you believe this, then you are living in a delusional fantasy world.

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