German brother and sister/couple want incest law removed.

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12 Mar 2007, 2:19 pm

In my opinion, they need to stop their relationship--it's not normal or healthy. They should both split up find some other mates and divide the kids amongst themselves. I think Incest should be considered a paraphilia. Given how most siblings have no attraction to one another, how can you say this is normal? You can't! Having a crush on a cousin is natural, but wanting to pork your sister isn't! 8O



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12 Mar 2007, 2:53 pm

I don't see any problem with it as long as they didn't have kids. But since they did not it is a problem. The laws against inbreeding are there for a reason. If you have a genetic defect or bad recessive gene it is more likely to get expressed if you mate with a relative. Hence why some small Native American tribes have major birth defects. I'm Native American (3 tribes) so I can say this ok. :) Its true the small tribes whose elders push to marry within the tribe end up creating problems. The gene pool is too small and after a few hundred years everyone in the tribe is inter-related. Though its nice for the kids to be able to say they're fullbloods its not healthy unless their parents are from different reservations if the tribe has more than one. The old Clan rules of some tribes tried to deal with this genetic situation by tabooing inter-clan marriages, but today that's just not enough.

My great-grandparents found out after they were married that they shared a cousin so apparently they were related. Doing genealogy research I see where the families crossed several times. They had no idea at the time they might be cousins though. Well I can tell you about half of my family is on the spectrum. I don't stand out as an Aspie in the family because everyone else is pretty much the same way, diagnosed or not. Now I have a multitude of health problems including autoimmune illness, PDD and AS, congenital heart defect & unexplained hearing loss. My brother and a cousin were both birth defected and died. Course it didn't help that mom and aunt were given DES. My cousin's son is a major Aspie and he was born missing bones! They x-rayed him when he was a little kid and the dr's like "Uhmm did you know your son's missing some bones." Several family members have had brain tumors, adrenal problems and congential heart and sinus problems. So you can't tell me inbreeding is ok.



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12 Mar 2007, 3:02 pm

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I don't see any problem with it as long as they didn't have kids. But since they did not it is a problem. The laws against inbreeding are there for a reason. If you have a genetic defect or bad recessive gene it is more likely to get expressed if you mate with a relative. Hence why some small Native American tribes have major birth defects. I'm Native American (3 tribes) so I can say this ok. :) Its true the small tribes whose elders push to marry within the tribe end up creating problems. The gene pool is too small and after a few hundred years everyone in the tribe is inter-related. Though its nice for the kids to be able to say they're fullbloods its not healthy unless their parents are from different reservations if the tribe has more than one. The old Clan rules of some tribes tried to deal with this genetic situation by tabooing inter-clan marriages, but today that's just not enough.

My great-grandparents found out after they were married that they shared a cousin so apparently they were related. Doing genealogy research I see where the families crossed several times. They had no idea at the time they might be cousins though. Well I can tell you about half of my family is on the spectrum. I don't stand out as an Aspie in the family because everyone else is pretty much the same way, diagnosed or not. Now I have a multitude of health problems including autoimmune illness, PDD and AS, congenital heart defect & unexplained hearing loss. My brother and a cousin were both birth defected and died. Course it didn't help that mom and aunt were given DES. My cousin's son is a major Aspie and he was born missing bones! They x-rayed him when he was a little kid and the dr's like "Uhmm did you know your son's missing some bones." Several family members have had brain tumors, adrenal problems and congential heart and sinus problems. So you can't tell me inbreeding is ok.


That must really suck to have so many relatives afflicted with so many disabilities. All the more reason why incest should be prohibited.



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12 Mar 2007, 4:28 pm

Umm...is it just me or did we totally miss the fact that they can raise children without having introcurse.

Adoption.


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12 Mar 2007, 4:31 pm

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Umm...is it just me or did we totally miss the fact that they can raise children without having introcurse.

Adoption.


They all ready have biological children. It's not a well-they-could-do-it-without-having-kids issues, because they do have kids.


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12 Mar 2007, 4:51 pm

What exactly is wrong with their kids - i am only hearing about some unspecified genetic issues.

Also, what is the genetic history in that family?



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12 Mar 2007, 5:43 pm

The article doesn't mention any genetic history. It focuses more on the children, and the creepy relationship that these people are in.



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12 Mar 2007, 7:46 pm

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Incest is normal and natural. I don't see why having sex with a sibling is any different from having sex with a non-relative.


Tell me why it's normal? I'd like hear your reasoning.



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12 Mar 2007, 9:30 pm

new_guy_64 wrote:
RichardL wrote:
Incest is normal and natural. I don't see why having sex with a sibling is any different from having sex with a non-relative.


Tell me why it's normal? I'd like hear your reasoning.


I can understand the whole "you show me your and I'll show you mine" thing among really young siblings, cousins, etc. But I don't understand about grown siblings having intercourse. And what's more, they're having children!



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12 Mar 2007, 9:57 pm

janicka wrote:
new_guy_64 wrote:
RichardL wrote:
Incest is normal and natural. I don't see why having sex with a sibling is any different from having sex with a non-relative.


Tell me why it's normal? I'd like hear your reasoning.


I can understand the whole "you show me your and I'll show you mine" thing among really young siblings, cousins, etc. But I don't understand about grown siblings having intercourse. And what's more, they're having children!


That's the worst part of it, they're having sex AND making babies! Don't they realize they're destroying their own gene pool?



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13 Mar 2007, 11:12 am

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sigholdaccountlost wrote:
Umm...is it just me or did we totally miss the fact that they can raise children without having introcurse.

Adoption.


They all ready have biological children. It's not a well-they-could-do-it-without-having-kids issues, because they do have kids.

Ah, my apologies. I missed that.


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13 Mar 2007, 12:16 pm

Oh, they already have kids? In that case I don't even see one reason for them to not marry. What's done is done and can't be undone (except by past-natal abortion :P ) so now's the issue apparantly only raise by one parent or two. In that case two is always better.



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13 Mar 2007, 12:40 pm

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I don't oppose nor even disagree, if they're lovers, I don't see why not marry.
If they're really willing to have kids, unadopted, okay to me. It's not as if the chance to have disabled kids is that much bigger for them than for non-related couples.
Moreover, if you say it is bad for the kids anyway, go tell that to 40+ women willing to have a kid too. The chance they'll have a disabled kid is very big indeed.


Dude, there's a 50% chance that a child of siblings will have birth defects, whereas children of unrelated couples have a 3 to 4 percent chance of having birth defects. I don't think you fully grasp the statistics of birth defects for children born of consanguineous couples.



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13 Mar 2007, 3:56 pm

new_guy_64 wrote:
RichardL wrote:
Incest is normal and natural. I don't see why having sex with a sibling is any different from having sex with a non-relative.


Tell me why it's normal? I'd like hear your reasoning.


I just don't understand the concept of incest. Why should DNA prevent two consenting adults from having sex?



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13 Mar 2007, 5:28 pm

RichardL wrote:
new_guy_64 wrote:
RichardL wrote:
Incest is normal and natural. I don't see why having sex with a sibling is any different from having sex with a non-relative.


Tell me why it's normal? I'd like hear your reasoning.


I just don't understand the concept of incest. Why should DNA prevent two consenting adults from having sex?


Have you read the other posts?



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13 Mar 2007, 6:50 pm

*Looks at close male relative of same age*

Ew.
Just...Ew.


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