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24 Nov 2014, 10:54 pm

Just FYI and all, the jury had black and white people on it.

Police abuse exists, just as any abuse does, but it's highly unlikely it happened in Brown's case.

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24 Nov 2014, 10:55 pm

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I imagine because too many whites are convinced that blacks who get shot by the police always have it coming.

I believe this is gonna have repercussions far down the line, straight to the white house. and I'm very disappointed [but not surprised] by #43's mealy-mouthed response to it. I wonder what "anonymous" can do about all this?

Anonymous is pretty good at exposing people, and any hidden racist motivations (like there isn't much that's hidden there, these days) might very well be exposed on a national level.

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24 Nov 2014, 10:59 pm

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Just FYI and all, the jury had black and white people on it.

Police abuse exists, just as any abuse does, but it's highly unlikely it happened in Brown's case.

But the DA has many critics concerning his views on race relations, and many of them thought he should have recused himself on this case.

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24 Nov 2014, 11:01 pm

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Just FYI and all, the jury had black and white people on it.

Police abuse exists, just as any abuse does, but it's highly unlikely it happened in Brown's case.

how is officer brown screaming "GET THE **** OUTTA ROAD!!" not abusive? how is murdering an unarmed man not abusive? IMHO that is some mightily bad police work if a police officer cannot subdue an unarmed man without killing him. he surely had to have a TASER on him, not that I am a fan of those things but that mr. brown did NOT have to be killed. simple as that.

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24 Nov 2014, 11:01 pm

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But the DA has many critics concerning his views on race relations, and many of them thought he should have recused himself on this case.

The grand jury is the one to decide though.

Run it again with the same evidence if you want. I'm sure it'll have the same outcome.

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24 Nov 2014, 11:07 pm

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I'm pretty sure he's allowed to tell people to get out of the road. Him telling them to doesn't give Brown the right to try and take the officer's pistol and assault him (evidence).

Taser isn't a death ray either.

If Brown gave Wilson no other choice, by assaulting Wilson, then fate has been chosen. That's self-defense. It doesn't matter if he was unarmed, as a man is a weapon capable of killing another man.

If Wilson shot and killed Brown whilst he wasn't a threat, that's unjustified. Evidence points to him still being a threat when he was killed.

There's plenty of causes to take up, but this one isn't. It makes you look dumb and ignorant.

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24 Nov 2014, 11:09 pm

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I'm pretty sure he's allowed to tell people to get out of the road. Him telling them to doesn't give Brown the right to try and take the officer's pistol and assault him (evidence). Taser isn't a death ray either. If Brown gave Wilson no other choice, by assaulting Wilson, then fate has been chosen. That's self-defense. It doesn't matter if he was unarmed, as a man is a weapon capable of killing another man. If Wilson shot and killed Brown whilst he wasn't a threat, that's unjustified. Evidence points to him still being a threat when he was killed. There's plenty of causes to take up, but this one isn't. It makes you look dumb and ignorant.

so you resort to ad hominems now? fine then, be that way.

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24 Nov 2014, 11:12 pm

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so you resort to ad hominems now? fine then, be that way.

But it's the truth.

I've provided enough reason to show that it wasn't abuse. If people continue to think it is, they're dumb and ignorant (the facts are out there for all to see), or they have bias that's clouding their rational thought processes (which is also dumb).

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24 Nov 2014, 11:14 pm

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so you resort to ad hominems now? fine then, be that way.

I should not waste my breath here but just be aware that it could always happen to you. you are not immune to bad cops. obviously you have NEVER been hassled by a cop for no good reason. I have. repeatedly. but of course you automatically believe that I must have done something wrong. you will never understand.

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24 Nov 2014, 11:24 pm

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Yeah, and how does your experience relate to this one? Was it Officer Wilson that abused you?

See, you have to detach yourself emotionally from these things, otherwise people act without thinking it through (all those looted and burning stores at the moment are good evidence for that).

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24 Nov 2014, 11:27 pm

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Yeah, and how does your experience relate to this one? Was it Officer Wilson that abused you? See, you have to detach yourself emotionally from these things, otherwise people act without thinking it through.

you missed my point- Wilson was not the only bad cop, in fact he has very good company nationwide. if not him then some other rogue unregulated cop. chances are, if I was walking where brown was walking, the same thing would have happened to me. IOW in a sense, I also am Michael Brown.

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24 Nov 2014, 11:32 pm

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So, you would have went for Wilson's gun because you didn't want to get off the street, got into a fight, backed off, turned around, and charged him? That's not even mentioning that you just robbed a store and were walking down the middle of the road.

If yes, then you would have died. I'm surprised you haven't been killed so far or haven't killed someone else if that's how you are -- that'd mean you'd attempt to kill someone because you don't like that you can't walk down the middle of the street. Nice.

And yes, there's bad cops. People are bad. Not all people though (the majority).

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24 Nov 2014, 11:37 pm

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I don't believe a word of that "officer"'s testimony. you can, obviously. and he IS a bad cop. a good cop would never be so outrageously disrespectful to anybody. that is unprofessional. a good cop would have been able to subdue a suspect who was unarmed, without murdering him. there is no evidence stating that the thug who robbed the store is the same person, that is hearsay. sure the surveillance video showed a big black fella but of course "they all look alike." :roll:

the fella lying face down in the street wasn't even wearing the same shoes as the thug in the store. the owner of the store denied brown was the same person. a case of mistaken identity that led to murder by cop.
of course, all that is beside the point, and moot. one does NOT shoot-to-kill an unarmed man. that is immoral, period. and it is murder. sanctioned by the state. judge jury and executioner now are they.

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24 Nov 2014, 11:44 pm

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one does NOT shoot-to-kill an unarmed man. that is immoral, period. and it is murder.

Have you read your criminal code regarding self-defense?

If I attacked you with physical force, you'd be legally allowed to kill me in self-defense where I live with a firearm (even if you didn't intend to kill me, rather stop me from attacking you). And so you should.

It'd only take me one good strike to the head to kill you, so you don't want me to get near you if that was my intent.

So, you wouldn't defend yourself against an unarmed individual?

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24 Nov 2014, 11:51 pm

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Have you read your criminal code regarding self-defense? If I attacked you with physical force, you'd be legally allowed to kill me in self-defense where I live (even if you didn't intend to kill me, rather stop me from attacking you). And so you should. It'd only take me one good strike to the head to kill you, so you don't want me to get near you if that was my intent. So, you wouldn't defend yourself against an unarmed individual?

proportional force. I don't believe in killing. I don't believe in any kind of death penalty. I may occasionally spout stuff such as "lock 'em up and throw away the room!" but when it comes right down to it, I cannot kill. that is interfering with that person's karma. I want nothing to do with that. I know a 7th dan black belt martial artist, who told me the best defense was "don't be there." IOW learn to judge character, avoid situations and people who are bad news. I am a cripple and cannot move very well, so that goes double for me. when one cannot defend oneself, one learns situational awareness. I suspect you would not see me up close if I was in your neighborhood because I would likely see you coming and go the other way. call me a wuss if you want. but if you caught up with me and killed me, I would be in heaven and not care.

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24 Nov 2014, 11:54 pm

And FYI all,

Police and firefighters are receiving heavy gunfire in Ferguson. They've returned some fire (live rounds).

auntblabby,

We're talking about the legal right. It happened with Brown and Wilson (and hundreds of other people each day). There's legal precedents and codified law regarding self-defense, and that's what the courts follow. Hence, what the courts say is what we should listen to.

If Wilson was in the wrong, it would have been likely that he was found to be such. That's why we have the separation of powers.

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