IS: 21 Egyptian Christians held in Libya 'killed'

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One of the dumbest things I ever read, if you're going to attack me then at least debate me.

Propaganda is a topic in itself.

you post like a bot

Are you a neoconservative? Some crusader weirdo like your countryman Anders Breivik? Fox News watcher? If you can't articulate your views then I would say the useful idiot here is yourself, all you ever do make these short usually meaningless quipy responses. I don't get your angle dude. I don't like to attack but there is only so many times you can be called a terrorist or a "enemy propagandist" by someone before you have to respond in kind. I have a moral foundation and can articulate my views, I know history and even in my young age I have been alive long enough to see this stuff play out in real time.

You have to understand context, you have to understand how world has to gotten to where it is now and the actions of the US being the most powerful country in world have played a huge role in crafting the current state of the world. You can't just say such and such is an innate bad guy from an innately bad religion and that the only solution is that we kill them all and their families.(perhaps I'm paraphrasing you here but that's the jist I get)

^^^ So what's your solution? Let the baddies take over and do nothing? Obviously there is no middle ground with these beheaders and their victory-or-death mentality.

It is certainly true that "W" Bush was a disaster and made things worse, but you assign a causal role to the US in the development of forces (e.g., wahabism) that predate the existence of the United States. That is more than a bit of a stretch.

The US has been spectacularly good at making things worse, but the world is full of people and movements that make things worse for their own peculiar reasons.

The idea that the US is the first cause for all the ills of the middle east (or planet) betrays a weird kind of supremacist thinking. The US is just not that powerful or influential. The French, British and Ottomans had some role to play in the development of the modern middle east, no? When Al Qaeda talked about the "Nakba" and were refering to the fall of Al Andalus rather than the establishment of Israel, people were surprised, but only because of narrow minded thinking like yours.

When the IS morons in Libya stood on the beach and proclaimed their sacrificial Coptic victims to be "crusaders" they made no sense at all. The Copts are not descended from the crusaders! When their leader waved his knife northward and promised to take Rome by force, it wasn't all about America.

As a thought experiment, try learning about what salafists believe and take them at their word. It might open your eyes.

I would rethink our allies in the middle east primarily Israel and Saudi Arabia and disengage, we should form a closer working relationship with Iran and Russia with whom we share common enemies and take a more neutral stance towards foreign policy in general. What point is there fighting a war you have no hope of winning? The only people that can stop ISIS are the people they rule over, it is undeniable that the US has set the table for their rise to power and I don't believe the US can defeat them in a conventional war as that ISIS was born out of. We can hope to contain and limit their growth but we need look the legitimate grievances that cause these people to be so desperate and most of those have to do with our overt and covert military actions and our place in the Israeli/Palestinian peace process which tells that intervening would be counterproductive. We need to be weary of creating situations on the ground to can give rise to extremism,

A lot of people think these ISIS weirdos are just crazy trying to fight on so many fronts and to be so provocative towards pretty much the entire world but this all according to their plan which is to draw the US and whoever else into direct confrontation with them, why would they want piss us off more with these beheadings if their goal was us to leave them alone? 'And the answer to that is that they're simply taking advantage of these legitimate grievances, they want the US to come and fight them and their plan is to bleed us dry. In their minds Allah will grant them victory or martyrdom and it doesn't matter which. It is victory or death and we can't kill them all, that's just reality.

"We need in the medium and longer term to go after the root causes that lead people to join these groups, whether it is lack of opportunity for jobs-" State Dept. Spokesperson Marie Harf, Interview with Chris Matthews 2/17/2015

The Obama Administration thinks the savages at ISIS need jobs, first the illegal immigrants and now this garbage. The stupidity of Obama and his friends is unfathomable.

At the prayer breakfast instead of denouncing islamic extremism, Obama gives some dumb speech about Jim Crow and the Crusades like as if Christians are to blame for all of this and they need to pay for "reparations".

^^IS pays its soldiers $300 a month, I'm pretty sure that's a competitive wage. They fight for their extremist beliefs, but don't forget the money.

ISIS seems to go out of their way to antagonize the Muslim world (burning to death a Jordanian Muslim pilot, executing the Mueller chick who had volunteered her time and life to save Muslims, murdering Egyptian citizens, and murdering countless Iraqis and Syrians as well), the very people they are supposed to be reaching out to, that I have to think they are either collectively clinically insane, or collectively want to be crushed by their Muslim brothers!

They're just following Sharia to the letter. There's nothing more to it really.

Well, that literal obedience to Sharia law it turns out is hardly all that attractive to most Muslims, it would seem.

El-Sisi makes an important distinction between Islam as a religion, and Islam as an ideology. Many followers of Muhammad falls in the former category. ISIS represents the latter category.

When you just leave it to the locals they will lose and ISIS will win, simply because they don't have the military power to stop them. No one wants a growing ISIS state on their borders. Don't forget that their aim is to take the Middle-east and bits of Europe, and then the rest of the world. We are kept safe by Kurdish fighters who are underequipped compared to ISIS in the heavy weapons department. They need the air forces of the coalition against ISIS, I think it would be betrayal to abandon these people.

We need to beat them ideologically and fighting a conventional war is what they want, that plays right into their hands. We cannot defeat ISIS by the means that created them and continues to feed their growth, I think undercutting their message by actually addressing the legitimate grievances of the Arab and Muslim world be far more effective and less apt to cause mass suffering. You're right that no one wants ISIS on their borders and these border countries many of whom have supported these jihadists in Syria will need to see the error of their ways, I'm not saying we can't assist in some ways such humanitarian aid and safe passage to refugees but Sunni Iraq and Sunni Syria are going to have to reject ISIS, if they don't then that's the government they deserve. As I said I think we should cooperate more with Iran and Russia and that means we stop opposing Bashar al-Assad, they're the ones actually fighting ISIS right now on the ground. The war is over as far as the fabled "moderate rebels" go, we have the secularist protector of minorities on one side and ISIS on the other. Work with the Kurds, work with the Syrians, work with the Iranians, distance yourself from the Arab Gulf states that have aided these Sunni terrorists. The brutality of ISIS should speak for itself to these people, they need to wake up and rise against them or otherwise they'll just turn around hate the US for intervening and be pushed further into their camp.

It's a tough situation honestly, I don't know what will actually work but I do know we can't bomb and occupy our way to victory. Our mistakes have led us to this point, we have to learn from them. The world is a wicked place sometimes and the US cannot play world police any longer, we can't win and we'll go bankrupt in the long run. Are you prepared for a 100 or 1000 year war against the forces of jihad? I'm not. I don't understand why the countries actually at risk can't fight for themselves, I feel they know the US will come in and do this dirty work and then they can blame us for the mess it makes. No more.

They call it "The Long War" for a reason. General Mattis estimated a time-scale comparable to the Indian Wars.


Nobody is gonna stop you if you want to surrender.

So what is your plan? Genocide