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19 Jun 2015, 3:10 am

1. He is a kook and kooks pop up once in a while.
2. He figured the church was a soft target.
3. He was right about #2.

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19 Jun 2015, 3:26 am

This loon had traveled over a hundred miles to reach this particular church. If he was looking for a soft target, he could have chosen a church much closer to him. No, he chose this church specifically because they were not only an African American church, but one with notable civil rights history. This was a man who had a Confederate flag license plate, and constantly ranted and raved about race. He came from a county in South Carolina that is known for being to the far right, where rebel flags are always on display, and where racism isn't even concealed. This idiot was what he was because of the racist climate he was raised in.
Incidentally, while the US flag was lowered to half staff, as was the South Carolina flag in the state capital, the Confederate flag was flying high. No one can tell me that that was just an oversight.

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19 Jun 2015, 3:56 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Agreed, for the most part.

However, if they had taken down the confederate flag, it would have been a victory for the shooter.

You don't want that, because that just adds more fuel to the fire.

The shooter appears to have Down syndrome, but not in the classic sense. My guess is, we will find out he has a disability and was on drugs, which has manifest itself in violence.

My heart, as Governor Haley so eloquently said yesterday, was broken.

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19 Jun 2015, 6:41 am

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HE IS A RACIST by his own words. I know it scares you to admit the obvious, but you must try...

You mistake me.

He can be racist, but you don't use that as the standard to judge a nation regarding racism.

An act of what amounts to a madman is a very rare occurrence, and you don't base anything on it.

You judge a nation on something like racism by the normal day to day things that everyone has a decent chance of experiencing.

You seem to be taking the mere idea that he is a racist very personally. Denial of racism is a form of racism itself. It's not a rare occurrence. The United States is a racist crap hole. White supremacists have been attacking and killing people in black churches for over a 150 years. It is just another day in America. Go ahead and deny it, but it doesn't change the fact.

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19 Jun 2015, 6:46 am

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/\ So the confederate flag over the state capital bears some responsibility for this, eh?

Yes it absolutely does.

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19 Jun 2015, 6:49 am

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Fox News is currently trying to spin the shooting as an attack on Christianity, and not a hate crime - despite the fact that the shooter had said something to the effect of: "You rape our women, you're taking over the country, you have to go." Sounds pretty racist to me. By implying that this had been inspired by so called hostility to Christian values, I personally believe they are trying to link the shooter to the LGBT rights movement, and gay marriage. And after beating the drum for so many years with the message that racism is done with, and that police violence against blacks isn't racially motivated, I figure they think they can't just turn around and admit that, yes, racism and racist violence is still very real.

Nice try the guy was wearing a apartheid era South African and Rhodesian flag on his jacket and reported to have said "I wanted to kill black people"

Faux News doesn't care about facts like that. They just disseminate propaganda.

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19 Jun 2015, 6:58 am

This thread now needs a "Class-War-Fare" clip of George Carlin...

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19 Jun 2015, 7:05 am

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blauSamstag wrote:

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/\ So the confederate flag over the state capital bears some responsibility for this, eh?

No just the culture of racism it symbolizes.

Well, the people of South Carolina must not mind the flag very much or it'd be gone.
And, yes, there are a lot of black people in that state.

They don't mind it because 70% of them are white and most of them relate to the racism it symbolizes.

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19 Jun 2015, 7:30 am

Newsweek

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Charleston Massacre: Mental Illness Common Thread for Mass Shootings:
...But if history is any indication, the shooter most likely has a history of severe mental health issues that have either gone untreated or undiagnosed

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19 Jun 2015, 8:09 am

0regonGuy wrote:

...Denial of racism is a form of racism itself....

Then, exactly how does an individual who has been called "racist" (like myself on Wrong Planet) without apology prove that the individual isn't racist?

0regonGuy wrote:

...The United States is a racist crap hole....

Individuals who believe that statement are, of course, free to move away from the United States if such racism bothers them so much. But, they should be careful; there are plenty of nations in the world that resemble "Hotel California" ("You can check-out any time you like, but you can never leave!").

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19 Jun 2015, 8:17 am

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Clearly the church and/or its congregants didn't learn from a similar shooting in 2007 at a Colorado church ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Colo ... _shootings ) where an armed church member returned fire and wounded the shooter who then shot himself dead. The shooter cited "psychological abuse at the hands of his parents as the main reason for his hatred of Christianity." Immediately after the shootings, several congregations in the United States dropped firearm prohibitions and a few recommended attending with firearms.

For those who obsess about such things, the shooter was white.

.....and, I imagine the congregants / people he shot / killed were ALSO white. It seems law-abiding black people, as a whole, don't usually carry guns.....

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19 Jun 2015, 8:37 am

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He's been identified as Dylann Roof.

Why is it always the obvious defectives who glom onto notions of supremacy?

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19 Jun 2015, 8:41 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

I wouldn't take that flag seriously. It's about South Carolina history in particular more than anything else. They fly it for the tourists. There's white supremists all over the country and even more in places that flag doesn't represent in the slightest, like up north in union territory. It's a way of saying this is where it began - the dissolving of the union, but it didn't last, did it? Won't happen again, either.

Don't get me wrong, in my opinion, slavery is one of the biggest evils ever but that flag is pretty much meaningless these days. People are racist with or without it. It's just a symbol of a bygone era and evil people will exploit that symbol, unfortunately. South Carolina isn't exploiting it in the way evil people do since it is a part of the United States and highly regards civil rights.

Your posts are always so matter-of-factly----yet, what *I* perceive of your posts, is severe naiveté!

That flag is NOT "pretty much meaningless"! If I had put that flag in my rear truck window, like I wanted to, the chances were GREAT, that I would've gotten my throat SLIT! Your part of the country and YOUR experiences, are just THAT----your part of the country / your experiences.

As for "Won't happen again, either."----I wouldn't be so sure, about that..... Do you know how many times Southern states, like Texas and Tennessee, have threatened secession? Again, your posts are terribly naive, IMO----and, even, seemingly, bullying, at times.

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19 Jun 2015, 8:47 am

SecretSavant wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Why all the excuses for the white kid? If he had been black killing whites, he's a thug and worse. This characterization of the shooter is in itself racist. All you right wingers commenting on how he's mentally sick or whatever is simply a justification for racism...

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19 Jun 2015, 8:58 am

Campin_Cat wrote:

AspieUtah wrote:

.....and, I imagine the congregants / people he shot / killed were ALSO white. It seems law-abiding black people, as a whole, don't usually carry guns.....

Which is odd considering how vocal the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., Ph.D., and Malcolm X argued that the black community should arm itself for self defense. Congress of Racial Equality Chairman Roy Innis Jr. has advocated self defense since 1968 when his son was shot and killed. Today, veteran Marine and former CIA staffer Kenneth Blanchard has advocated for black self defense since his retirement from the CIA after 9/11. While I disagree with their other tactics, the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense argues similarly for its members to be armed lawfully. In my own state of Utah, leading members of the black community in government, politics and media are supportive of black citizens learning safe and lawful firearm ownership.

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Last but not least, I must say this concerning the great controversy over rifles and shotguns. The only thing I've ever said is that in areas where the government has proven itself either unwilling or unable to defend the lives and the property of Negroes, it's time for Negroes to defend themselves. Article number two of the Constitutional amendments provides you and me the right to own a rifle or a shotgun. It is constitutionally legal to own a shotgun or a rifle. This doesn't mean you're going to get a rifle and form battalions and go out looking for white folks, although you'd be within your rights -- I mean, you'd be justified; but that would be illegal and we don't do anything illegal. If the white man doesn't want the black man buying rifles and shotguns, then let the government do its job. That's all.

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19 Jun 2015, 9:09 am

AspieUtah wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

AspieUtah wrote:

.....and, I imagine the congregants / people he shot / killed were ALSO white. It seems law-abiding black people, as a whole, don't usually carry guns.....

Which is odd considering how vocal the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., Ph.D., and Malcolm X argued that the black community should arm itself for self defense.

Yep----different priorities, I guess.....

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