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23 Oct 2015, 12:39 am

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As no one suffered due to their race because of the attention clock kid got, I don't see your point.


Every white kid that didn't receive the same attention and gifts "suffered".



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23 Oct 2015, 12:44 am

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As no one suffered due to their race because of the attention clock kid got, I don't see your point.


Every white kid that didn't receive the same attention and gifts "suffered".


Really? Really?


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23 Oct 2015, 12:46 am

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Not a good comparison. Bringing a clock into school versus drawing a firearm.

But to answer your question, no.


It's a very good comparison, as:

Drawing a firearm (which can be inventing): people assume the worst (he's going to shoot us all!)
Bringing a homemade clock: people assume the worst (it's a bomb!)

I drew plenty of firearms and military vehicles at school (I still do draw them), and it was never for a threat, rather for the scientific and mechanical nature. Kids doing this should never be punished, as it's perfectly innocent. The same with bringing in a homemade clock.

Thinking one is wrong when the other isn't is bigotry.



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23 Oct 2015, 12:49 am

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Really? Really?


I wouldn't say it if I didn't think it.

The next time a white kid gets hit with "zero tolerance", I expect him or her to be invited to the white house and showered with praise and lavish gifts. If not, then yes, there truly is a race problem in the US.



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23 Oct 2015, 1:36 am

Dillogic wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Really? Really?


I wouldn't say it if I didn't think it.

The next time a white kid gets hit with "zero tolerance", I expect him or her to be invited to the white house and showered with praise and lavish gifts. If not, then yes, there truly is a race problem in the US.


Seriously, now: THE THOUSANDS OF WHITE KIDS NOT GETTING REWARDED FOR GETTING ARRESTED OR EXPELLED ISN'T RACISM!! !! I'm sorry, but your views of racism here is the perfect example of white privilege without even knowing that you're privileged. White kids not being rewarded for being wrongly arrested hardly compares to real racism, with all it's victims held under suspicion and stereotyping, not to mention unequal treatment in society and in the legal system simply for who they are.
And no, I'm not saying I'm immune to white privilege, as I take for granted that I can walk or drive anywhere at any time day or night without fear of police harassment, or that I can enter a store without being automatically held under suspicion for being a thief.


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23 Oct 2015, 2:05 am

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Seriously, now: THE THOUSANDS OF WHITE KIDS NOT GETTING REWARDED FOR GETTING ARRESTED OR EXPELLED ISN'T RACISM!! ! !


Yeah, it is.

You know why? Because Ahmed was singled out afterwards entirely on his minority status.

That's not fair to the thousands of white kids.

Treating people differently to other people based purely on a specific trait is bigotry/racism (a trait that isn't related to their character). You might not like it, but that's how it works.

If you want to talk about "privilege" (heh, I'm privileged with autism, on disability and living at home as a 34 year old? Right. Don't bring up silly stuff like I can purchase flesh toned band-aids; they don't blend with my skin any better than brown/black people), you should look at Ahmed. A rich kid getting showered with more wealth simply because he's of a different religion/skin tone.



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23 Oct 2015, 10:35 am

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Seriously, now: THE THOUSANDS OF WHITE KIDS NOT GETTING REWARDED FOR GETTING ARRESTED OR EXPELLED ISN'T RACISM!! ! !


Yeah, it is.

You know why? Because Ahmed was singled out afterwards entirely on his minority status.

That's not fair to the thousands of white kids.

Treating people differently to other people based purely on a specific trait is bigotry/racism (a trait that isn't related to their character). You might not like it, but that's how it works.

If you want to talk about "privilege" (heh, I'm privileged with autism, on disability and living at home as a 34 year old? Right. Don't bring up silly stuff like I can purchase flesh toned band-aids; they don't blend with my skin any better than brown/black people), you should look at Ahmed. A rich kid getting showered with more wealth simply because he's of a different religion/skin tone.


If that's the case, then you could argue that all civil rights legislation protecting minorities is also racist, as whites aren't specifically protected by the Voters Rights Act, and such. So, again, no, as whites were not harmed by the attention given to this kid.


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23 Oct 2015, 11:20 am

Dillogic wrote:
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Seriously, now: THE THOUSANDS OF WHITE KIDS NOT GETTING REWARDED FOR GETTING ARRESTED OR EXPELLED ISN'T RACISM!! ! !


Yeah, it is.

You know why? Because Ahmed was singled out afterwards entirely on his minority status.


Do you have any evidence at all to back that up?

I've seen no indication that the teacher that flipped out over seeing clock parts in a pencil box would not have flipped out if it had been any other race.

It may be racism, but then it may not be racism. Proclaiming it to be racism with no evidence merely shows your bias and nothing about the incident itself.



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23 Oct 2015, 11:59 am

The evidence is the lack of the same help and support for all other victims of "zero tolerance".

Yeah, we can say, hey, there's too many! But no, if they don't get it, then this single individual shouldn't either.

Otherwise, you admit favoritism, and also prejudice, which is doing the same thing as the people that enforce the "zero tolerance" policy are doing. No matter if it's for a good cause.

However, I'm pretty sure we're talking about something different here. I'm talking about afterwards, the response to the zero tolerance.

The teacher very well may have freaked out no matter the race or religion of the kid.



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23 Oct 2015, 2:50 pm

Okay. I was thinking about the first part.

It is reasonably clear that the left and groups like CAIR begin pushing to make him be seen as the victim of racism.



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23 Oct 2015, 4:58 pm

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Okay. I was thinking about the first part.

It is reasonably clear that the left and groups like CAIR begin pushing to make him be seen as the victim of racism.

Yeah, that's blatantly obvious, but we not allowed to cry racism because the left is doing it. :roll:


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23 Oct 2015, 7:23 pm

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eric76 wrote:
Okay. I was thinking about the first part.

It is reasonably clear that the left and groups like CAIR begin pushing to make him be seen as the victim of racism.

Yeah, that's blatantly obvious, but we not allowed to cry racism because the left is doing it. :roll:


They're certainly using the event to promote a racist agenda.

But we have no evidence to support the notion that the initial events were the result of racism.



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24 Oct 2015, 2:54 am

Qatar is big money and some measure of power in their region.

The kid's dad has run for president of Sudan twice. Being in with the leadership in Qatar is better for his political career than being some rabble rouser in bumfark texas.

fwiw i think the kid is a blameless nerd and possibly aspie. I also don't think his dad had any idea that he was taking a clock to school that day.

And i think that the bumfark teachers and cops were absolutely racially profiling.



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24 Oct 2015, 3:06 am

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Seriously, now: THE THOUSANDS OF WHITE KIDS NOT GETTING REWARDED FOR GETTING ARRESTED OR EXPELLED ISN'T RACISM!! ! ! I'm sorry, but your views of racism here is the perfect example of white privilege without even knowing that you're privileged. White kids not being rewarded for being wrongly arrested hardly compares to real racism, with all it's victims held under suspicion and stereotyping, not to mention unequal treatment in society and in the legal system simply for who they are.
And no, I'm not saying I'm immune to white privilege, as I take for granted that I can walk or drive anywhere at any time day or night without fear of police harassment, or that I can enter a store without being automatically held under suspicion for being a thief.


You misunderstand him, what he's doing is making an argument akin to those against affirmative action, that if you're going to call discrimination based on race "racism", than you have to apply the term universally, including situations where minorities benefit at the expense of whites. Another example would be treating a black kid bullied by whites as a victim of racism, and a white kid bullied by blacks as unfortunate but not racism because of historical power dynamic or some other such nonsense, an argument that I've actually seen made here on WP. Personally, I think it's a bit over the top that this kid got a White House invite out of this, and feel it's highly likely that his race played a role in that, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it 'racist', more like pandering.


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24 Oct 2015, 4:05 am

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While drawing a gun COULD be an act of hostility in limited circumstances, it is not an act of hostility and violence in other cases.


Are you serious? If you draw a gun on someone, you're threatening them. You're not even supposed to bring a gun to school, let alone draw it.

[edit]: I just realized I totally misunderstood the meaning of the word "draw." I thought you meant like, to draw a gun from its holster.



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24 Oct 2015, 11:45 am

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While drawing a gun COULD be an act of hostility in limited circumstances, it is not an act of hostility and violence in other cases.


Are you serious? If you draw a gun on someone, you're threatening them. You're not even supposed to bring a gun to school, let alone draw it.

[edit]: I just realized I totally misunderstood the meaning of the word "draw." I thought you meant like, to draw a gun from its holster.


Oh. That clears it up. There have been a number of cases of kids drawing guns in school that were for drawing them with pencil (or pen or crayon) and paper. One kid even got into trouble for eating a cookie or pop tart or something like that into the shape of a gun.

The kind of case where drawing (pencil and paper) a gun could be hostile was if it was used as kind of a threat. Such as drawing oneself holding a gun to someone's head.