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15 Mar 2016, 9:43 pm

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... The solution, I feel, is to have mental health specialists that go out with the officers any time a call involves mental illness. ...
Again, how will the police know in advance that the person they are going to encounter is mentally ill?

A 911 call reporting "... a crazy person shouting obscenities"? New York City's police department would be run ragged.

I don't know what Section 5050 is, but ...

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Section 5150 is a section of the California Welfare and Institutions Code (WIC) (in particular, the Lanterman–Petris–Short Act or "LPS") which authorizes a qualified officer or clinician to involuntarily confine a person suspected to have a mental disorder that makes him or her a danger to him- or herself, a danger to others, and/or gravely disabled.


If you have say, a news feed that includes keywords for it you start to notice a pattern: person with mental illness needs help, family calls 911 explaining the person's illness, that they are out of control, and need to be helped, police show up, within five minutes the person has been shot dead. It happens over and over and over again.


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15 Mar 2016, 10:04 pm

sounds like a trend to me. :idea:



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16 Mar 2016, 1:15 am

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If you have say, a news feed that includes keywords for it you start to notice a pattern


This is shameful. I just decided to look some of this stuff up and've been bombarded by the statistics out there... I can't believe I didn't know anything about this. It really does look like the Mentally Disabled are being "gunned down"... for whatever reason. If you don't respond in a way that the police/people *think* you should, then you're automatically considered a suspect and it now becomes imperative for you to be taken as a serious threat, who, it is permissible to treat with the most excessive and brutal way possible.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015 ... /77059710/


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16 Mar 2016, 1:24 am

so many people just don't wanna even think about this.



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16 Mar 2016, 8:26 am

Good luck with getting mental health specialists to accompany police at all hours of the day and night.

The fundamental problem is that these calls are extremely dangerous for police in our society--you never know when someone has a gun these days.



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16 Mar 2016, 8:31 am

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so many people just don't wanna even think about this.
I have. Mentally-disabled people that are turned loose to fend for themselves on the streets are more likely to be shot by the police than those mentally-disabled people who are kept at home or in some kind of institutionalized mental-health care center.

Get those people off the streets and they are less likely to be shot by the police.

Simple.


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16 Mar 2016, 8:53 am

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If you have say, a news feed that includes keywords for it you start to notice a pattern: person with mental illness needs help, family calls 911 explaining the person's illness, that they are out of control, and need to be helped, police show up, within five minutes the person has been shot dead. It happens over and over and over again.
That makes me think that there may actually be something to the idea of some family-based conspiracies to get rid of their mentally-disabled members AND have grounds for a lucrative lawsuit against the cops and the city that employs them.

Hypothetically speaking, of course.


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16 Mar 2016, 4:03 pm

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idea of some family-based conspiracies to get rid of their mentally-disabled members AND have grounds for a lucrative lawsuit against the cops and the city that employs them.


Talk about conspiracy theories, but then by definition it's got to be OUT-THERE, to begin with... I just don't want to think of there being "family members" who are trying to off someone just so that they can sue the state...


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16 Mar 2016, 4:47 pm

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so many people just don't wanna even think about this.
I have. Mentally-disabled people that are turned loose to fend for themselves on the streets are more likely to be shot by the police than those mentally-disabled people who are kept at home or in some kind of institutionalized mental-health care center.
Get those people off the streets and they are less likely to be shot by the police. Simple.

more mental health care goes without saying, but what about hiring smarter cops?



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16 Mar 2016, 5:00 pm

^ you have to have smart applicants first.


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16 Mar 2016, 5:06 pm

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idea of some family-based conspiracies to get rid of their mentally-disabled members AND have grounds for a lucrative lawsuit against the cops and the city that employs them.


Talk about conspiracy theories, but then by definition it's got to be OUT-THERE, to begin with... I just don't want to think of there being "family members" who are trying to off someone just so that they can sue the state...



What if they did it for money?


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16 Mar 2016, 6:11 pm

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gooseman wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Edenthiel wrote:
If you have say, a news feed that includes keywords for it you start to notice a pattern: person with mental illness needs help, family calls 911 explaining the person's illness, that they are out of control, and need to be helped, police show up, within five minutes the person has been shot dead. It happens over and over and over again.
That makes me think that there may actually be something to the idea of some family-based conspiracies to get rid of their mentally-disabled members AND have grounds for a lucrative lawsuit against the cops and the city that employs them. Hypothetically speaking, of course.
Talk about conspiracy theories, but then by definition it's got to be OUT-THERE, to begin with... I just don't want to think of there being "family members" who are trying to off someone just so that they can sue the state...
What if they did it for money?
It's all hypothetical, of course; but what if some poor family gets tired of bailing "Crazy Cousin Eddie" out of jail, and sees a way out of both poverty and responsibility for a hated relative?

Maybe this could be an episode of CSI ...


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16 Mar 2016, 6:15 pm

Sometimes conspiracy theories are fun and what I mean by that is coming up with ideas about what could be happening or what could have happened at the time of the event. I sometimes like making up my own just for the heck of it but I don't actually believe them. But yet they can make you come off as being paranoid or crazy when you share them.


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16 Mar 2016, 6:18 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Sometimes conspiracy theories are fun and what I mean by that is coming up with ideas about what could be happening or what could have happened at the time of the event. I sometimes like making up my own just for the heck of it but I don't actually believe them. But yet they can make you come off as being paranoid or crazy when you share them.
Yeah, I know ... but I'm not the first in this thread to post a stupid conspiracy theory.


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16 Mar 2016, 6:34 pm

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What if they did it for money?


Yeah, League_Girl, money would be a strong motive for someone who wants to take the cops to court and sue them for a shit-load of money, but... your own family??? Man, that must be some pathetic family... it'd be understandable if it were a one off but by calling it a conspiracy it becomes something more prevalent... I think Edenthiel's given some good proof of there being a pattern of this sort of behaviour, by the cops to legitimize the killing of a Mentally Disabled person--almost as if his Life were worth less than if he were your usual-average-joe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspirac ... Prevalence

Still, it being planned by a person's family... yup, still a long shot:)


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16 Mar 2016, 6:37 pm

An execution by cop being set up by one's own family is not unknown. Ever hear of the Gambino family? The Capone brothers? Big Jim Colosimo?


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