Non-transgender Men Being Allowed In Women's Bathroom!

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OMG! You just didn't bring guns into this. There is no comparison.

What if there were armed guards in women's restrooms? Would that make you feel better?

Yes as long as they were not in the main stall area but at the door INSIDE the restroom.

Okay. Well, if they're using the most broad definition of transgender imaginable (one that has nothing to do with gender identity, per se, and encompasses any and all variation in all aspects of gender and gender expression) and including people who identify their gender as "male" then I don't understand why they even bother having supposedly gender-segregated bathrooms. They should just make them all unisex. (Now the controversy can be over the amorality and dangers of unisex bathrooms instead! Let the fear-mongering begin anew!)

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If it has the sign you're saying then it is telling everyone that it is a unisex bathroom - which is what I said should be done so women know what they are getting into. Why should an ordinary man who says he "feels like a woman today" be allowed to enter the women's restroom? It sure isn't just to go to the damn bathroom! He can walk a few steps across the hallway for that.

Even if you had such a narrow policy, how could tell the difference among non-passing transsexuals, cross-dressers and gender-queer?

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OR they could make the ONE bathroom for the extremely small percentage of the transgender population. But I guess that's just not good enough.

13 was just representative due to space constraints, more could be provided.

Firstly, I don't see any point in enabling anyone with such proclivities. Secondly, what enumerated power authorizes the federal government to dictate bathroom policies within all the states?

Lastly we have:

ISIS and Radical Terrorism
19.3 Trillion of Debt
Immigration and the Refugee Crisis
Education
Foreign Policy

Why is our federal government prioritizing this over any of the issues listed above?!?

Are you serious? You want someone else to get hurt like you did?

I'm sorry that happened to you and I truly mean that.

Good point. I said something similar about how you can't tell the difference between trans and cis-women but I didn't think about it in more broad terms.

I wonder what gender-queer people are supposed to do, if they don't identify as either male or female...are they just out of place/uncomfortable no matter which bathroom they use?

The more I think about it the more I think it really would be better if bathrooms weren't gender segregated.



OR they could make the ONE bathroom for the people who are unreasonably terrified of being sexually assaulted in the public bathroom, or uncomfortable with the idea of sharing a public bathroom with transgendered people of the same gender, or uncomfortable with the idea of sharing a public bathroom with anyone of a different gender than themselves. But I guess that's just not good enough.

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Effectively, all Target's bathrooms are now gender-neutral. Everyone is allowed to use both bathrooms. Therefore, it's misleading to label one "men" and one "women". Target should change their signs so people can make their own informed decision whether they're willing to use them.

No, I'm just stating how it actually works. People become a statistical casualty all the time...I'm merely stating that it's statistically such a small percentage, that it's not really going to be an issue at all, except in small isolated incidents. Chances are if the standard holds, most people will never have to deal with a transgender person in the restroom, or even a complete perv for that matter.

I'm all for your option of a third bathroom, or even just making everything unisex stalls. Problem is no one wants unisex stalls, they'll view it as a downgrade from their "sexed" restrooms and it's unfeasible to make a third bathroom-- institutions would fight it tooth and nail because of the cost and they would be correct. Likewise, a third bathroom could be discriminatory since you're singling people out. Of course we could bury our heads and deny trans people exist, but they do exist, they always have and always will. So to be honest, there's really no solution that's going to appease everyone, probably not even half of the population since the issue is so charged. I'm ok with this, it's a feasible solution although not ideal. I mean, it's public restrooms we're talking about-- you take a risk every time you use one anyhow.

I'm starting to get really annoyed at the way trans rights have turned into the latest culture war political football, and now we label anyone who isn't 100% on board with every aspect of trans rights as transphobic and bigoted. It's a good example of what I call activism creep, which is what happens when activists, in this case gay rights ones, get what they want, and rather than ceasing to be activists, go in search of a new cause to be outraged about. Everyone points at those who aren't comfortable with people of indeterminate gender in their bathrooms like they're horrible intolerant dinosaurs, when 2 years ago this wasn't even on anyone's radar, and rather than, say, try and persuade them as to why trans people in the restroom of their choosing should not be a problem, we get the shaming and the accusations and other histrionics. No one likes the blame and shame routine, no one likes having a morality they don't agree with forced on them by outsiders, yet here we are, again, because the people who are currently culturally powerful have forgotten that they weren't always so, and won't always be the ones on top.

That being said, I think the bathrooms should go gender neutral and just be done with it, it's the least bad option under the circumstances.

In my view, transgendered people using the restroom of their gender is legal and most places and nothing ever happens. I know for a fact that there is a law on the books where I live that protects transgender people from discrimination, and I have never heard one single news report of a woman being raped by a transsexual, or even someone pretending to be transsexual. Statistically it is no more likely for a crossdresser or a tranny to sexually assault someone as it is for a heterosexual male to sexually assault someone. In fact it is far less likely. This whole controversy is just conservatives mad because of the gay marriage decision so that needed a new group of people to bully.

Again, another man commenting who doesn't understand the full story. It's about heterosexual men abusing the policy. I'd like to follow you into the men's restroom, watch you pee, take some pictures when you weren't looking to slap on youtube, make a few snide jokes about certain "things" and tell you to your face that its legal for me to be there because "I'm just feeling like a man today and it's in the new restroom policy". I'm sure you wouldn't go for that for two seconds.

Another question would be when would that be considered harassment? Evidently, I can go and just stand there and watch you do whatever you do in the restroom and it's legal.

Okay I tried to reply and it disappeared. What I said was why would a sex offender have any respect for a law that was passed? If a sex offender in NC wants to go in the bathroom and attack a woman he is still going to do it. Also women are statistically more sympathetic to transsexuals than men.