Abortion Now Illegal In Oklahoma

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what court case?

I don't support eugenics and yeah pretty sure those videos were debunked or at least initially taken out of context in some way if I recall. Also though I haven't seen evidence Planned Parenthood selling fetal body parts...who are they selling them to? what are they used for?.

Also if it was almost zero over-sight it would be an entirely unregulated illegal industry as you call it, It has to be done by a medical professional who's had training, late term abortions are not allowed outside of cases of medical emergencies in most places, there is a limit on how far along you can have an abortion. Nothing you've said backs your claim there is 'zero' oversight, its just not the oversight you like.

Perhaps you're not a true progressive then Sweetleaf , congratulations on not being brainwashed ideologue. Eugenics, progressivism, and abortion are all tied together. That is history they don't want to teach you. Being open minded and a liberal is not the same thing as being a progressive which has very specific meaning and connotation in American history.

Watch the videos for yourself, how are they debunked? Did those people not say what they say or not work for Planned Parenthood? They have the full unedited videos too, nothing was debunked. To say they were debunked seems like dismissing something that you don't want to argue about which I understand it is indefensible what they did. Look up the perfectly reasonable regulations Texas wanted to put on abortion clinics which included ER admitting privileges at hospital within 30 miles and that abortion clinics meet the standards of ambulatory surgical centers. Are those unreasonable, are those undue burdens? Those were fought tooth and nails, look at the partial-birth abortion debate which last a long long time and how the abortionists fought to keep that practice going which they preformed thousands of every year. This late term ban has only been around for short amount of time, since 2007 I think so obviously it was something the abortion industry which is unregulated dragged their feet on. Look at Kermit Kosnell and what he did in Philadelphia, it is sickening. The abortion industry fights any regulation put upon it, they want to be a well oiled killing machine.

Yes it is, hard on the body early on the procedure involves taking various medications with unpleasant side effects, aside from cramping and whilst there might not always be health complications it's still a painful unpleasant process. If those drugs don't complete the abortion than surgery is necessary...I've never heard someone say surgery is gentle on the body.

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/abortion-pregnancy-termination-beyond-the-basics

You do realize women still found ways to end their own pregnancies even in ancient times.
Women who do not want to be pregnant will find away to rid themselves of the fetus to the point of putting their own lives in danger.

In many families and societies, parents will make their pregnant children have an abortion (illegal or not), if they disapprove of who the father/mother will be.

If said child says no, then the parents cut all ties with them and/or do something far worse to "rid" their family of the disgrace.

This is quite common in the U.S. as well.

Even if said woman has the child and puts it up for adoption, the emotional and mental damage is done that no amount of medication and therapy can correct.

Her family may cut all ties with her for bring dishonor and disgrace to them for allowing that child to exist.
It's also quite shameful in most countries and societies (including the U.S.), if you give your child up for adoption.
Many employers will fire you if they find out you put your child up for adoption, just as many will do the same if they find out about abortions (they just can't list that as the reason for termination).

Hell plenty of women get demoted and/or fired in the U.S. and most developed countries for getting pregnant and having children (Even if they give that kid up for adoption).
It's illegal to do it, but companies still do it but the burden of proof is on the woman.

Society still punishes women for getting pregnant, married and having kids.

As for the U.S. adoption system, more kids enter the system each year than there are adoptions each year in each state.
The majority of kids in the U.S. that are put up for adoption in the U.S. never get adopted and stay in the system until adulthood.

The tax payers foot the bill for the whole system.

I didn't say it is 'nothing' but in the early stages between the sperm and egg meeting and the development into a fetus, it is essentially a clump of cells. As can be seen in the text and link I posted that you must have ignored:



The cells aren't a sentient human being before they even so much as become a fetus no matter how you slice it.

And again how does adoption address medical costs of pregnancy/giving birth, fetal damage nicotine can do, risk of slipping into a mental health crisis due to hormonal changes/instability? Do you just think those things don't exist?

How is a clump of cells that may or may not turn into a sentient human being a person? I mean say abortions were only allowed until the minute the clump of cells becomes a fetus. Can you really say that is the exact same thing as indiscriminately killing unwanted 'babies'? More than half of abortions take place within the first 8 weeks also, Adoption alone is not a solution for unwanted pregnancy.



50 million people...by that I imagine you mean aborted organisms, considering late term abortions aren't common practice sentiment I disagree with.

Also using contraceptives and having them fail, and the morning after pill not working is not a 'mistake' on anyone's part, its a problem where the responsible solution isn't always to drop everything and have a baby especially if you can barely afford your own existence.

Is the government going to financially support the mother and father if the father is unable to work enough to sustain he and her through the pregnancy and keep up on bills like rent, utilities, food ect? Can the nation afford that kind of welfare program?



I would get an abortion for a lot more resons than the fact I smoke
-me and my boyfriend just barely afford a place to live, utilities, food(though I am still usually hungry) and our separate bills so no way to afford medical costs of pregnancy or childbirth
-we don't want a child
-the risk of relapse into a mental health crisis
-concerns that I am too underweight/not healthy enough to undergo pregnancy without health complications aside from the mental health concerns.
We use condoms when we have sex, if it broke I would use the morning after pill....I'd only get an abortion if the morning after pill worked which can occur though its rare. If it were outlawed I imagine I could find some info on herbs that can help induce a miscarrige/terminate pregnancy but I doubt that will occur.

[/quote]I believe health and rape are legitimate exceptions to end pregnancy and the sooner the better, I would limit the time as well. It would be as simple as it being signed off by a doctor or two so there shouldn't be a logistics problem, I believe some states already have some form of this on the books. Financial reasons shouldn't be considered, we have to find a way and I would trade a lot so it wouldn't be an issue. I'd rather help support someone raise child than to drop bombs on children in other countries, we have really screwed up priorities in this country.

I don't believe abortions should take place outside of a hospital, not these unregulated clinics that don't even have admitting privileges at the closest emergency rooms. It should be done by real medical professions in a real medical setting.[/quote]

It probably should be done by real medical professionals in a hospital....however that requires hospitals allow the procedure to take place there.

you can google it as easily as i can.

That's great news. Hopefully the rest of North America will follow.

Indeed. Once again, we see how democracy is a corrupt system that reinforces the privilege of the majority at the expense of the minority.

sharia next?

even placentas are commercialized, in cosmetics fi
some nice afterbirth on your lips, héhé

dilation and extraction is a minor surgical procedure and is what i'm referring to as no big deal. you are describing abortion by meds, which i wasn't taking into account.

I looked for it, court case and Planned Parenthood brings me to a SCOTUS case from like 1992. Planned Parenthood v. Casey, where is the debunking case? I seriously can't find it, I looked!

those texas restrictions are definitely unreasonable and undue burdens, thinly veiled attempts to stop abortions and doing NOTHING to protect women. medical associations have weighed in and called the provisions unnecessary. kermit kesnell is horrible, but you can't judge a whole profession by one bad apple. how would you like to be compared to abortion clinic bombers because you both oppose abortion?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/2- ... .html?_r=0

it was all over my yahoo news feed when it happened. where do you get your news?

That doesn't "debunk" the videos in any way, they just don't like how they made the video but it's no different than any undercover investigative journalism. There seems to be questions about the DAs relationship and communication with Planned Parenthood, I don't expect any charges to stick.