Licensed to carry black man shot by police

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09 Jul 2016, 2:13 am

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And you think that man was guilty of robbery?


No, unlike some, I don't claim omniscience.

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His personal record has been made public, and he has never been arrested, let alone never been convicted of anything, and has been working steadily since his teen years.


How much of that did the cop know?

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Won't you even give this the benefit of the doubt that he had been shot by a cop who just assumed he was guilty and dangerous because he was black?!?!


By "give the benefit of the doubt" you mean "conclude, as I have." No, I try not to leap to conclusions unsupported by evidence.

I don't know what happened in the three minutes before the video started. Since you seem to be certain that you do know, please tell me: why did Castile have a handgun on his lap? I used to own a pistol. Sometimes I took it on road trips, in case I ended up in a bad area. But I never felt the need to drive around with a firearm on my lap.

I'll be glad when all police officers wear body cameras. It'll protect them as well as us.


You talk like this helps your case. A man is dead because of poor communication between him and the officer. This stuff has happened a lot lately. People are dying.

We need to change our approach to policing.


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09 Jul 2016, 2:16 am

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Of course, traffic violations, matters with his licence, and (perhaps worst of all) driving without a muffler makes him such a dangerous individual!


He wasn't killed because, "he was a dangerous individual".

The cops says he was killed, because he didn't follow directions.

His long rap sheet is evidence that Mr. Castile doesn't do as he's told. How many times have judges and cops told this guy about the law only see to him break yet again?


That's pretty harsh, to be killed because the guy didn't do exactly as he was told, at a traffic stop, when he was misidentified. Is this what we're going to tell his fiancee and the 4-year old girl who watched him die?


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09 Jul 2016, 2:17 am

Nowhere on that list do you see murder. The cop who killed this man is far more dangerous than the person he killed.

I'm used to hearing that these people who get killed by cops referred to as thugs (who had it coming). What I'd like to see is the cop who killed him referred to as a thug as well.

Sorry, I'm just tired of this BS. Cops getting way with murder in broad daylight, on camera no less. And not even an ounce of remorse. I'd like to see some f*****g remorse.. Lol, it's funny, but not. f*****g prodecure BS. System needs to be changed fromt he top down and bottom up. Truly disgusting.



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09 Jul 2016, 2:27 am

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Castile has to have had coming with you, doesn't he?


Once more, in English?


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09 Jul 2016, 2:31 am

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Castile has to have had coming with you, doesn't he?


Once more, in English?


I think it was plain enough. But if you like: Castile has to have been guilty according to you conservatives. That better?


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09 Jul 2016, 2:35 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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Of course, traffic violations, matters with his licence, and (perhaps worst of all) driving without a muffler makes him such a dangerous individual!


He wasn't killed because, "he was a dangerous individual".

The cops says he was killed, because he didn't follow directions.

His long rap sheet is evidence that Mr. Castile doesn't do as he's told. How many times have judges and cops told this guy about the law only see to him break yet again?


Not following orders is grounds for killing a man in front of his family? His record justifies him being killed? And yet, whenever I bring up a certain white supremacist douche who got his wife and son killed for far more than just not following orders, I get jumped on by all of you conservatives.


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09 Jul 2016, 2:48 am

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I think it was plain enough. But if you like: Castile has to have been guilty according to you


So "has to have had coming with you" means "you think he's guilty." Must be a regionalism. No, as I think I've said a couple times, I don't know what happened and can't draw any conclusions yet.

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Still ain't no conservative.


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09 Jul 2016, 2:55 am

luan78zao wrote:
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I think it was plain enough. But if you like: Castile has to have been guilty according to you


So "has to have had coming with you" means "you think he's guilty." Must be a regionalism. No, as I think I've said a couple times, I don't know what happened and can't draw any conclusions yet.

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Still ain't no conservative.


So some conservative has been posting under your name?


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09 Jul 2016, 7:39 am

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Not following orders is grounds for killing a man in front of his family? His record justifies him being killed? And yet, whenever I bring up a certain white supremacist douche who got his wife and son killed for far more than just not following orders, I get jumped on by all of you conservatives.

I feel sorry for the guy, and maybe it was murder.

We have to wait for the squad car video.

However, sure, cops are allowed to kill people.

The cop is likely going to say that the guy had his hand on the gun, and was moving it towards the cop.

Thus, explaining why the gun is on the guy's lap in the video.

This guy should of taken a concealed permit class, and been told explicitly not to do that.

He should of been told that the cop might shoot him dead if he does that.

The woman admits dope was in the car.

So maybe he was "high" and his judgement was affected.



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09 Jul 2016, 7:53 am

If the officer is negligent here, he'll be found such.

Just wait.



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09 Jul 2016, 9:29 am

It was almost certainly a good shooting.

There is no evidence that the guy had a license to carry. He wasn't pulled over for a taillight but because of a BOLO (Be On the Look Out) for someone who had committed an armed robbery at a convenience store just blocks from where he was pulled over and of whom he apparently matched the description.

Furthermore, he had a handgun in the open on his lap at the time of the shooting and was very possibly reaching for that when shot. The officer was under no obligation to let him pick up the handgun and take the first shot before protecting himself.



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09 Jul 2016, 9:31 am

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Nowhere on that list do you see murder. The cop who killed this man is far more dangerous than the person he killed.


How many armed robberies was the officer suspected of having committed?



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09 Jul 2016, 9:44 am

I don't get why it's so hard for some people to Believe that cops make unjustified shootings. It's petty clear that this guy shouldn't have been shot.

And I'm not sure if this cop will get the appropriate punishment. It is very common for cops to get let off the hook. With Freddie Gray there were 5 cops who took a suspect into custody. While in their custody he suffered a broken neck and died. No one has received any punishment for that. A few years ago here in Chicago a drunk off duty cop was driving on the highway and killed two people. Prosecutors dropped the case. Also severs years ago a cop beat a woman behind a bar here in Chicago. The cops and the city were eventually found guilty of covering it up and a jury awarded the woman with 850,000 dollars.

Similar events occurred with the Laquan McDonald shooting out here. A kid was shot sixteen times by a police officer. There is missing footage in the surveillance videos. But footage was later found of other cops allegedly deleting video. Were still waiting for the outcome of this case.



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09 Jul 2016, 11:41 am

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I don't get why it's so hard for some people to Believe that cops make unjustified shootings. It's petty clear that this guy shouldn't have been shot.


It happens, but so far I see nothing that would convince me that this one was not justified.

He had a firearm on his lap when he was stopped. Why was that? Do honest people drive around with handguns on their laps? Not unless they expect to have need of it in the immediate future.

Here's a clue: if you are driving around and have a firearm visible on your lap and are stopped by the police, it doesn't matter if you are white, black, brown, yellow, or something else, you had better keep very still and do whatever you are told to do by the officer and then only very slowly. No sudden moves.

By the way, regarding his license to carry, there is no evidence that he even had one. To have one in Minnesota, you have to have training in the safe use of firearms. Carrying a handgun on his lap is hardly the safe use of a handgun.

Furthermore, it is being reported that he didn't claim to have a license to carry. It was his girlfriend who told the office that he had a license to carry. Even if he did have a license to carry, it should not have been sitting on his lap while driving around or during a traffic stop.

Why didn't he stash the handgun underneath the seat? It is quite possible that the officer would have taken his and his girlfriend's information from their licenses, asked a few questions, and let them go on their way.

Having a handgun on his lap indicates to me that he thought he might need it in a hurry. If I had been the officer and saw the handgun and saw him make any sudden move, I hope that I would have shot, too.



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09 Jul 2016, 11:46 am

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Lukeda420 wrote:
I don't get why it's so hard for some people to Believe that cops make unjustified shootings. It's petty clear that this guy shouldn't have been shot.


It happens, but so far I see nothing that would convince me that this one was not justified.

He had a firearm on his lap when he was stopped. Why was that? Do honest people drive around with handguns on their laps? Not unless they expect to have need of it in the immediate future.

Here's a clue: if you are driving around and have a firearm visible on your lap and are stopped by the police, it doesn't matter if you are white, black, brown, yellow, or something else, you had better keep very still and do whatever you are told to do by the officer and then only very slowly. No sudden moves.

By the way, regarding his license to carry, there is no evidence that he even had one. To have one in Minnesota, you have to have training in the safe use of firearms. Carrying a handgun on his lap is hardly the safe use of a handgun.

Furthermore, it is being reported that he didn't claim to have a license to carry. It was his girlfriend who told the office that he had a license to carry. Even if he did have a license to carry, it should not have been sitting on his lap while driving around or during a traffic stop.

Why didn't he stash the handgun underneath the seat? It is quite possible that the officer would have taken his and his girlfriend's information from their licenses, asked a few questions, and let them go on their way.

Having a handgun on his lap indicates to me that he thought he might need it in a hurry. If I had been the officer and saw the handgun and saw him make any sudden move, I hope that I would have shot, too.


Or maybe, he put the gun out in the open so the cop could see it, and wouldn't be accused of hiding a deadly weapon.


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09 Jul 2016, 11:57 am

This was a police execution of someone who was driving while black, plain and simple.