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22 Jul 2016, 3:43 pm

Definitely same guy on roof as the one outside McDonalds.

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22 Jul 2016, 3:57 pm

The woman who reported hearing him say Allahu Akbar! in the McDonalds seemed pretty authentic.



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22 Jul 2016, 4:00 pm

Reports now say 9 dead in total... The 9th individual may be an attacker...

http://www.br.de/nachrichten/oez-olympi ... i-100.html



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22 Jul 2016, 4:04 pm

I have a feeling this will turn into lone gunman before too long

The eyewitness in the CNN video is also a Muslim for what it's worth, I don't know why CNN cut that part off as they just played it on CNN. "I heard Allah Ackbar, Allah Ackbar, I know this because I am a Muslim"



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22 Jul 2016, 4:26 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo,

Why do Muslim terrorists target random people who very well may be Muslim?



Because they view moderate Muslims as false Muslims.



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22 Jul 2016, 4:54 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo,

Why do Muslim terrorists target random people who very well may be Muslim?



Because they view moderate Muslims as false Muslims.


The point I was making is that it's futile to try to make sense of these peoples motives. They're usually based on some false reality and are incoherent. I probably should have just said that instead. :oops:



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22 Jul 2016, 7:05 pm

:arrow: Police updates: At this moment of investigation, it is highly probable that he acted alone. Cautious all-clear. We found a person in connection with the investigation that has killed himself.


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22 Jul 2016, 7:26 pm

thoughtbeast wrote:
:arrow: Police updates: At this moment of investigation, it is highly probable that he acted alone. Cautious all-clear. We found a person in connection with the investigation that has killed himself.


The question remains how quickly do these individuals become radicalised? how much does their mental health play a role in their decision to wipe out a maximum number of civilians?



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22 Jul 2016, 8:11 pm

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cyberdad wrote: The question remains how quickly do these individuals become radicalised? how much does their mental health play a role in their decision to wipe out a maximum number of civilians?


Q1: The question remains how quickly do these individuals become radicalised?
A1: In the amount of time it takes these individuals to realize that their actions get maximum publicity when they are connected to ISIS or other terrorism. All you have to do is see the French film satire "L'AVENTURE C'EST L'AVENTURE" (see clip below) which shows how petty crooks masquerading as a political movement can be beneficial to their crimes. While fictional, it explains much.

Q2: how much does their mental health play a role in their decision to wipe out a maximum number of civilians? A2: Your question assumes as a fact something that isn't always true, viz., "their decision to wipe out a maximum number of civilians". While it was certainly true in Nice, it's obviously not true in Munich, where the killer committed suicide when he could have easily continued his rampage. The killer may have realized that he had already secured his 15 minutes of fame - and then some - in the media and perhaps saw no point in carrying on. [/youtube]


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22 Jul 2016, 8:16 pm

apparently it was an 18 year old 'German-Iranian', motive unclear



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22 Jul 2016, 8:17 pm

Jacoby wrote:
apparently it was an 18 year old 'German-Iranian', motive unclear


Probably one of those radical German-Iranian Lutherans.


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22 Jul 2016, 8:30 pm

I live half an hour from munich. I go there to work sometimes (I work freelance)
I'm relaxed, though.
the biggest newspaper in southern germany reports 10 dead, including the alleged gunman, who appears to be a german of iranian descent.

14 people died in traffic accidents in bavaria this week.
I'm so much more worried about the idiot Pegida movement and the nationalist AfD-party.
I watched one of their party meetings on youtube, and one audience member asked the leader of the party, whether the party would bring the german borders of 1913 back into discussion.
And that idea, that there are some people who now see their chance to undo the changes that happened to germany after losing two wars, that inability to accept how things went down between 1914 and 1945 - that deeply worries me.


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22 Jul 2016, 8:40 pm

Darmok wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
apparently it was an 18 year old 'German-Iranian', motive unclear


Probably one of those radical German-Iranian Lutherans.


peace between catholics and protestants is only 18 years old, in norther ireland.
just like this attacker in munich.


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22 Jul 2016, 8:43 pm

shlaifu wrote:
I live half an hour from munich. I go there to work sometimes (I work freelance)
I'm relaxed, though.
the biggest newspaper in southern germany reports 10 dead, including the alleged gunman, who appears to be a german of iranian descent.

14 people died in traffic accidents in bavaria this week.
I'm so much more worried about the idiot Pegida movement and the nationalist AfD-party.
I watched one of their party meetings on youtube, and one audience member asked the leader of the party, whether the party would bring the german borders of 1913 back into discussion.
And that idea, that there are some people who now see their chance to undo the changes that happened to germany after losing two wars, that inability to accept how things went down between 1914 and 1945 - that deeply worries me.


Are you seriously comparing car accidents to children and other innocents gunned down in cold blood?

I think this type of sentiment is exactly why groups like Pegida/AFD exist and why they grow stronger every day.



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22 Jul 2016, 9:24 pm

Quote:
shlaifu wrote:
I live half an hour from munich. I go there to work sometimes (I work freelance)
I'm relaxed, though.
the biggest newspaper in southern germany reports 10 dead, including the alleged gunman, who appears to be a german of iranian descent.

14 people died in traffic accidents in bavaria this week.
I'm so much more worried about the idiot Pegida movement and the nationalist AfD-party.
I watched one of their party meetings on youtube, and one audience member asked the leader of the party, whether the party would bring the german borders of 1913 back into discussion.
And that idea, that there are some people who now see their chance to undo the changes that happened to germany after losing two wars, that inability to accept how things went down between 1914 and 1945 - that deeply worries me.


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Are you seriously comparing car accidents to children and other innocents gunned down in cold blood?

I think this type of sentiment is exactly why groups like Pegida/AFD exist and why they grow stronger every day.


You're right, jacoby, car accident victims aren't innocent and it's their own fault that they didn't get out of the way of that drunk or drugged driver going the wrong way on the interstate./s


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22 Jul 2016, 10:48 pm

thoughtbeast wrote:
Quote:
shlaifu wrote:
I live half an hour from munich. I go there to work sometimes (I work freelance)
I'm relaxed, though.
the biggest newspaper in southern germany reports 10 dead, including the alleged gunman, who appears to be a german of iranian descent.

14 people died in traffic accidents in bavaria this week.
I'm so much more worried about the idiot Pegida movement and the nationalist AfD-party.
I watched one of their party meetings on youtube, and one audience member asked the leader of the party, whether the party would bring the german borders of 1913 back into discussion.
And that idea, that there are some people who now see their chance to undo the changes that happened to germany after losing two wars, that inability to accept how things went down between 1914 and 1945 - that deeply worries me.


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Are you seriously comparing car accidents to children and other innocents gunned down in cold blood?

I think this type of sentiment is exactly why groups like Pegida/AFD exist and why they grow stronger every day.


You're right, jacoby, car accident victims aren't innocent and it's their own fault that they didn't get out of the way of that drunk or drugged driver going the wrong way on the interstate./s


Car crashes under influence are like nothing % wise to total amount of car accidents which are mostly caused by stupid driver behaviour, audacity, distraction... Btw those are accidents as sad as it is. I doubt the gunman there shot dead 9 or so people by "accident" - noone is safe.. not only drivers!

Assuming you have driven a car before, you would know when you need to be more focused/aware. However when you calmly walk in the mall and get surprised by a bunch of bullets you never know where or when the terrorist can get you which is basically why you have to be focused/aware all the time, intensley draining your energy and mental resources.

So basically, Jacoby is right. I agree.