Jailers stand by while paralyzed man slowly dies

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@0regonGuy

I understand the anger, I really do, and to be honest more innocent people will probably die before progress is made, this is the nature of human society-- bad s**t happens, even when it doesn't need to. Society isn't a pretty thing, it can actually be a pretty disgusting thing when you get right down to it, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative which is anarchy and war.

AFAIC human nature can be pretty base, we're lucky we made it as far as we did. I don't hold out much further hope for our collective future, though. the worst among us are full of burning intensity while the best among us lack sufficient conviction. it is like 3 steps forward and 2 & 1/2 steps back.

I agree, more innocent people are going to die. The question is who do you want to see die? Personally I want to see at least as many of the blue gang members die, as the innocent people they are killing.

As for you not wanting anarchy and war, sorry to tell you this, but you have got anarchy and war now. The police have militarized themselves into an army, and they have declared war on American citizens, and they are killing people everyday.

You can't prosecute them, as long as cops get that special treatment, and they are not going to give up their powers voluntarily. The police unions have a lot of money to fight against your new laws. They are not going to let any of that happen. Again the only way to deal with bullies is to fight back. Thats the only thing they understand.

I'm afraid if that's the only alternative, then we'll either be killed, or sent to prison. As I like my life and freedom, I prefer trying to use legal means.

I find it ironic he wanted to die and he got his wish. It was as if the jailers granted it.

But really, how stupid could they be? If someone was faking it, would they actually go out of their way to starve themselves and let themselves go dehydrated? Faking it or not, they still should have taken him to the hospital. I am sure some cell mates do fake injuries to get out of jail but a professional doctor would confirm if their injury is fake or not. How can the medical staff not know about his real injuries?

what the jailers did went way beyond mere stupid. it was malice aforethought and bloodymindedness.

I believe the legal term is criminal neglect with inhuman intent.

I wonder if they will ever see real punishment? [not just a counseling statement or reprimand]

Well, the Spokane douchebag cop who murdered a man named Otto Zehm, who was being medicated for mental illness, was convicted and sent to prison. But then again, each state is different, so I can't tell if Oklahoma will behave as well as Washington state did.

^^^something tells me OK [by its lousy history] will do something really douchebaggy like countersue the victim's family out of spite.

Well, they didn't think of that in the Zehm case, but such action wouldn't surprise me.

I'm not ready to do it either, but if someone else wants to stand up against the bully thugs, show them some respect and don't call them cowards. Because first that is just a perversion of the English language. Since someone giving up their life for something they believe in doesn't meet the definition of a coward.

Second what they are doing will send a message to the Blue Gang that their shoot first and ask questions later policy will ultimately backfire on them, and more cops will die because of it. And that is what will change things. The pigs will ignore BLM protests forever, but when cops start dying, things will change.

I understand your rage. I feel it too. But you couldn't be more wrong.

The only way to effectively fight back is through politics, not guns.

You often can't effectively prosecute police in the current system because it has been set up to protect them. The way to fix that is to change the system so that it brings the bad police to justice. The only way to do that is by political pressure.

Your assignment of collective guilt to all police is wrong. A little thinking makes it clear that most police are good.

Consider the New York Police department: 51,000 strong with 34,000 uniformed officers policing 8.4 million city residents and another 0.6 million daily commuters. Among those officers have been some of the worst: murderers, drug dealers, torturers, rapists, arsonists. There is almost no kind of crime that hasn't been perpetrated by corrupt members of the NYPD at one time or another.

And it has historically been very difficult to prosecute them, because the worst offenders tend to be protected by the "blue wall of silence" -- the successful prosecution of Police Officer Justin Volpe, the man who tortured Abner Louima in the most disgusting way is the exception that proves the rule of how powerful that blue wall of silence can be.

Despite the outrage and horror of this kind of crime by police officers, the reality is that the criminal officers are a tiny minority. Given the sheer numbers of police in the NYPD, and the number of interactions they have with citizens of New York, there would be huge numbers of deaths and beatings if all those police behaved like the criminals among them.

There is a lot of room for improvement. The CCRB mechanism is hopelessly broken and must be reformed. But things are much, much better than they used to be because of legal reform by political activists, legislators and lawyers--not because of people shooting police. The work of Theodore Roosevelt, the Knapp Commission and the Mollen Commission took the NYPD from a lawless group of thugs for hire who served only the rich and powerful to the usually lawful, professional body that is today.

No positive reform to that force ever came as a result of someone shooting police officers. Every one of the many positive changes that there have been over the years came from political and legal activists reforming the system.

There is no way to use bullets to make law or change procedures, the only things that will result in lasting change.
A better alternative:
Support the Preventing Tragedies Between Police and Communities Act of 2016
Support the ACLU Criminal Law Reform Project
Visit the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law resource page on Police Reform, follow the links and take political action

Instead of bullets, work politically for body worn cameras, independent civilian oversight agencies, expanded use-of-force rules, and extensive de-escalation training.

Everyone complains about politics because it's a hard process and a slow one. But it is the only thing that makes lasting change.

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I couldn't have said it better.

There is the first point you are wrong about. The Bad Apple argument that only a small number of cops are bad. Thats is nothing but police apologist BS. Did you even watch the video? Where are the good cops in that video. There are no good cops there. If only a minority of the cops were bad, then there would have to have been at least one good cop in that jail, who would have gotten medical help for that man. But there were no good cops there to do that.

There are a huge numbers of deaths and beatings by the NYPD and everywhere. How many people would have to be killed or beaten by the police before you would change your mind about it being a tiny minority of the cops who are bad?