White ppl: stop saying everything is gonna be OK

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18 Nov 2016, 3:40 pm

so we're all gonna be forced to kneel at the altar of mammon at gunpoint. time for civil disobedience.



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18 Nov 2016, 3:44 pm

I still think the States are too different to stay together. New York should join Canada and the West Coast should break off into Cascadia.

I'd love to live in Cascadia: it's an ecozone and everyone is pretty cool on the West Coast in Canada and the States.

This new Trump reality is hard to accept. I can't see his reign being peaceful.



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18 Nov 2016, 6:29 pm

it has been mentioned that my news source was not reliable, but I just used it to provide the news of this happening, I first heard this last night on KING-tv-5 news. and just wait 'til after I-day, things are gonna get really ugly.



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18 Nov 2016, 7:10 pm

beneficii wrote:
And this:

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This is a result of people acting completely bananas. If Trump were planing on starting some kind of corporate police state, all the people acting like an angry treasonous mob/army have set that up quite nicely for him.



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18 Nov 2016, 10:30 pm

Arresting protesters or dissenters as terrorists under the current US national security laws?

Well the US was already a national security state, Trump is merely invoking anti protester laws from the days of Nixon

Eisenhower and Truman were responsible for rounding up anti-establishment types and labeling them as "commies"



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19 Nov 2016, 12:42 am

i think the million-dollar question is "why is the pigeonholing mindset so strong in the u.s.", and no real change can happen if that's not addressed. the idea of "diversity" maintains separate groups as separate, so it's actually part or the problem. because either you have integration, or you establish a political structure with formal political representation for each separate group. in-between just doesn't work. integration should be a value in itself

i get the impression that americans, both "liberal" and "conservative", tend to see race (and all the things people there associate with each race) as a fact of nature, sort of interchangeable with cultural identity and sometimes even nationality to some extent, as if nationality and race are on the same level. but the american concept of what race means is far from being an objective truth or something universal. here's an easy example to illustrate what i mean (just a random video i watched recently):



and that's from japan, which is not exactly a country known for diversity, tolerance or inclusion. so it's not that "they were including the black kid". he happens to be black, but to them what matters more is that he's japanese (i always hear that japanese people born in my country who emigrate to japan tend to be treated very poorly there, even if they're 100% ethnically japanese. because they usually don't speak much japanese). "black" doesn't even seem to be a category to them

i wonder how aware americans are of how wildly different these types of perceptions can be (or how aware most everyone everywhere is, for that matter. it's just that the prevailing perceptions seem to have become completely unsustainable in the u.s. in particular)


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19 Nov 2016, 1:36 am

America likes to think of itself as a "melting pot" but we've always been much more of an "ethnic stew" if anything. we tend not to mix too much.



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19 Nov 2016, 2:33 am

auntblabby wrote:
America likes to think of itself as a "melting pot" but we've always been much more of an "ethnic stew" if anything. we tend not to mix too much.

it's very difficult for me to grasp the american perspective, when i was raised in a country where mixed-race is pretty much the norm. but then i guess it must be equally difficult for americans to grasp my perspective too. these things get really ingrained in your brain. to be honest i don't even think they can be changed once you're not a child anymore. but i think that really understanding that whatever system we instinctively use to categorize people is inevitably arbitrary and not a fact of nature can make a big difference


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19 Nov 2016, 2:36 am

now we have leaders that believe in racial separation/apartheid [steve banner, jeff sessions and other alt-righters in the cabinet]. so it will become even more of a thing here.



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19 Nov 2016, 5:32 am

Look these kinds of attitudes have been existing for years now, I doubt they are going to have a resurface because of Trump. I mean just look at what he said "Stop It" were his words he is clearly not encouraging that sort of behavior to take place.

And as for the attitudes themselves look I don't think they are that bad or prevalent at all. Just look at how much society as progressed, even the most stereotypically conservative and racist states in the south have had prominent leaders hailing from non-white ethnic groups just look at Nikki Haley, Tim Scott and Bobby Jindal they are all testimony to this idea.



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19 Nov 2016, 5:35 am

when he meekly says "stop it" [with all the enthusiasm of a grade schooler getting up in the morning], his followers doing those misdeeds will "stop it" with the same kind of enthusiasm or lack thereof. IOW he could not have been serious. if he WAS serious he would have read them the riot act and promised action after his inauguration. but he didn't and nobody was really fooled for a second.



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19 Nov 2016, 5:41 am

auntblabby wrote:
when he meekly says "stop it" [with all the enthusiasm of a grade schooler getting up in the morning], his followers doing those misdeeds will "stop it" with the same kind of enthusiasm or lack thereof. IOW he could not have been serious. if he WAS serious he would have read them the riot act and promised action after his inauguration. but he didn't and nobody was really fooled for a second.
It sends a message to the American people that this sort of activity is not good. If he hadn't given that message than maybe others would be more inclined that the behavior was at least justified.

Its also not like society is doing nothing about these crimes, their are charges for threats, violence, discrimination etc.



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19 Nov 2016, 6:02 am

Trump has toned things down ever since the protests have broken out.


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19 Nov 2016, 6:18 am

Shahunshah wrote:
I mean just look at what he said "Stop It" were his words he is clearly not encouraging that sort of behavior to take place.

I found that direction to be a little simplistic ... almost like he knew he had to say something, so he said as little as he could. I can't imagine anyone being motivated by this unenthusiastic request.



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19 Nov 2016, 6:36 am

anagram wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
America likes to think of itself as a "melting pot" but we've always been much more of an "ethnic stew" if anything. we tend not to mix too much.

it's very difficult for me to grasp the american perspective, when i was raised in a country where mixed-race is pretty much the norm. but then i guess it must be equally difficult for americans to grasp my perspective too. these things get really ingrained in your brain. to be honest i don't even think they can be changed once you're not a child anymore. but i think that really understanding that whatever system we instinctively use to categorize people is inevitably arbitrary and not a fact of nature can make a big difference



Dont know what country you're from.

Latin America is more of a true "melting pot" than Anglo America. Folks in the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central, and South America, tend to be either Mestizo (White-Amerind mix), or Mulatto (White-Black mix), or both, as individuals. Folks in the US tend to be of one racial background, and if they are mixed they are still classified as being of one particular "race" by society. Its only in the last generation that "mixed" has become a category.Our outgoing president is considered "Black" because thats how he would have been classified by law in the days of the Jim Crow South ( he is half White, but in the segregated South anyone with one sixteenth Black ancestry was legally defined as "Negro").. But in the Dominican Republic, or Brazil, he would be considered "Mulatto".



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19 Nov 2016, 6:50 am

androbot01 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
I mean just look at what he said "Stop It" were his words he is clearly not encouraging that sort of behavior to take place.

I found that direction to be a little simplistic ... almost like he knew he had to say something, so he said as little as he could. I can't imagine anyone being motivated by this unenthusiastic request.
Well people look to Trump like many leaders as a role model.



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