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06 Dec 2016, 4:57 am

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I think most everyone is racist to a degree because it's human nature and no system is going to be successful in forcing it away. It's interesting to me that so many I see crying "racist!" go on to trash a demographic of millions with pure hatred. But that's okay because that hatred is supposedly justified.
I think a big chunk of America voting for Trump was saying F*** You to the whole PC policing liberals trying to control society.

With Trump racism is the tip of the iceberg, he's maligned women, intellectuals, gays, conservationists, environmental groups, economists, foreign policy experts, US exporters, stock market people, university students (Trump University), employees (mass sacking and harrassment), rental tenants the list goes on and on....


Oh I'm sure it does. He's a bad man. He's a very bad man!



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06 Dec 2016, 5:05 am

EzraS wrote:
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I think most everyone is racist to a degree because it's human nature and no system is going to be successful in forcing it away. It's interesting to me that so many I see crying "racist!" go on to trash a demographic of millions with pure hatred. But that's okay because that hatred is supposedly justified.
I think a big chunk of America voting for Trump was saying F*** You to the whole PC policing liberals trying to control society.

With Trump racism is the tip of the iceberg, he's maligned women, intellectuals, gays, conservationists, environmental groups, economists, foreign policy experts, US exporters, stock market people, university students (Trump University), employees (mass sacking and harrassment), rental tenants the list goes on and on....


Oh I'm sure it does. He's a bad man. He's a very bad man!



Trump is an open book. I don't think he's any less ethical than plenty of business/suites types lurking around real estate or stock market. I would say the same thing if Rupert Murdoch or George Soros ran for US president. So no, I don't care if he's a bad man, it's just why choose this man to be leader of the free world? Americans have temporarily lost their brains.



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06 Dec 2016, 6:11 am

cyberdad wrote:
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cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I think most everyone is racist to a degree because it's human nature and no system is going to be successful in forcing it away. It's interesting to me that so many I see crying "racist!" go on to trash a demographic of millions with pure hatred. But that's okay because that hatred is supposedly justified.
I think a big chunk of America voting for Trump was saying F*** You to the whole PC policing liberals trying to control society.

With Trump racism is the tip of the iceberg, he's maligned women, intellectuals, gays, conservationists, environmental groups, economists, foreign policy experts, US exporters, stock market people, university students (Trump University), employees (mass sacking and harrassment), rental tenants the list goes on and on....


Oh I'm sure it does. He's a bad man. He's a very bad man!



Trump is an open book. I don't think he's any less ethical than plenty of business/suites types lurking around real estate or stock market. I would say the same thing if Rupert Murdoch or George Soros ran for US president. So no, I don't care if he's a bad man, it's just why choose this man to be leader of the free world? Americans have temporarily lost their brains.


How is it that most any high level politician is any more ethical et al? It's like you're equating POTUS with Pope. And why the repetitive mentioning of Murdoch and Soros? There's hundreds of businesses men out there. Trump's net worth is peanuts compared to those two. Plus he's as much a TV personality as a business man. It just sounds really good doesn't it? Trump-Murdoch-Soros-Hitler.... (Repeat, repeat, repeat....)

And you know perfectly well why he was chosen. Because he is an open book and is not a politician.

The flaw in your 1930's Germany comparison is, people didn't know all about Hitler for 30-40 years like they have Trump because of the fact that he's such an open book and a celebrity. People weren't looking for for the next Hitler like they do in every person who runs for president or prime minister or what ever since Hitler. There weren't thousands of individuals telling the world through social media that Hitler was going to be the next "Hitler" and history was going to repeat itself. There's a political professor (I'll have to look it up) who said Hitler would have never gotten far in today's worldwide instant media coverage. And he said that like 30 years ago.



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06 Dec 2016, 8:07 pm

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The flaw in your 1930's Germany comparison is, people didn't know all about Hitler for 30-40 years like they have Trump because of the fact that he's such an open book and a celebrity. People weren't looking for for the next Hitler like they do in every person who runs for president or prime minister or what ever since Hitler. There weren't thousands of individuals telling the world through social media that Hitler was going to be the next "Hitler" and history was going to repeat itself. There's a political professor (I'll have to look it up) who said Hitler would have never gotten far in today's worldwide instant media coverage. And he said that like 30 years ago.

Hmmm lets see...Hitler's most enduring statement was that he would make Germany "great again"
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/25/ ... again.html
I know Donald Trump is a student of history so his choice of words was quite deliberate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTS4sy4k3Bo

Infact more than half of university educated white Americans know very well what Trump has said (and believes) which is anti-immigrant and anti-minority group yet still voted for him. This represents a considerable lack of moral or ethical values in middle America despite an "enlightened education system" (much like Germany). Like Hitler Americans really have no idea what sought of economic leader he will be but they have been sucked in by the rhetoric.

The latest news suggest trump has no idea what he is doing and is already putting US international trade in peril
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-24/c ... pp/8056086
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... anders-tpp



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07 Dec 2016, 12:51 am

Grandchild of Holocaust survivor says in times like these to take "every poisoned word as a promise":

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The first, and most obvious, is this: Treat every poisoned word as a promise. When a bigoted blusterer tells you he intends to force members of a religious minority to register with the authorities—much like those friends and family of Siegfried’s who stayed behind were forced to do before their horizon grew darker—believe him. Don’t try to be clever. Don’t lean on political intricacies or legislative minutia or historical precedents for comfort. Don’t write it off as propaganda, or explain it away as just an empty proclamation meant simply to pave the path to power. Take the haters at their word, and assume the worst is imminent.


http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-an ... for-disney

I will take this approach with Trump and all his appointees and allies, including the subject of this thread, Sheriff David Clarke.

I wonder what are the best safety action plans to make for dissidents and minority group members likely to be targeted by the regime. We have 7 weeks.


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07 Dec 2016, 7:20 am

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The flaw in your 1930's Germany comparison is, people didn't know all about Hitler for 30-40 years like they have Trump because of the fact that he's such an open book and a celebrity. People weren't looking for for the next Hitler like they do in every person who runs for president or prime minister or what ever since Hitler. There weren't thousands of individuals telling the world through social media that Hitler was going to be the next "Hitler" and history was going to repeat itself. There's a political professor (I'll have to look it up) who said Hitler would have never gotten far in today's worldwide instant media coverage. And he said that like 30 years ago.

Hmmm lets see...Hitler's most enduring statement was that he would make Germany "great again"
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/25/ ... again.html
I know Donald Trump is a student of history so his choice of words was quite deliberate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTS4sy4k3Bo


That's conjecturing, not knowing. And anecdotal evidence.

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Infact more than half of university educated white Americans know very well what Trump has said (and believes) which is anti-immigrant and anti-minority group yet still voted for him. This represents a considerable lack of moral or ethical values in middle America despite an "enlightened education system" (much like Germany). Like Hitler Americans really have no idea what sought of economic leader he will be but they have been sucked in by the rhetoric.


He's anti illegal immigration, which just means he has the same type of ideology regarding immigration as Canada and Mexico. And most everywhere else. America is just about the only nation that has such flimsy borders and basically lets anyone waltz right in from anywhere and even provides them with welfare and the like. It needs to stop. And if that attitude is Nazi in nature, then most nations are already such. He's also against the state of poverty among minorities that causes rampant crime, not the minorities themselves. His desire is for a better economic structure to reduce poverty among minorities, not to reduce minorities themselves by putting them in concentration camps and ovens.

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The latest news suggest trump has no idea what he is doing and is already putting US international trade in peril
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-24/c ... pp/8056086
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... anders-tpp

Is that the latest overall objective news, or just cherry picking? It's amazing this universal prevailing attitude that Trump doesn't know what he's doing acting as President, when he's not even the President yet. That's not news or factual, it's a lot of biased meaningless prognosticating to generate revenue from those who gobble up that stuff. Is China correspondent Matthew Carney a seasoned political analyst with with a PhD in political science or just a journalist who cranks out stories to generate revenue for ABC? And how about Zeeshan Aleem? What are his credentials? And what's Vox? it sure is flooded with advertisements according to my ad-blocker.
Give me something from a political analyst/scientist, political historian, someone who considered a foremost expert. Someone whom the White House or CIA or Pentagon etc would consult or a place like Harvard would hire as a professor.

Oh by the way, do an internet search on how Obama compares to Hitler or Hillary compares to Hitler or Bush compares to Hitler or the other Clinton compares to Hitler or the other Bush compares to Hitler and behold all the hits you'll get. I wonder just how many people have been compared to Hitler and situations compared to Nazi Germany. Hundreds, thousands, millions? There's a reason why Godwin's Law exists you know.



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07 Dec 2016, 5:48 pm

It looks like Clarke's been passed over for the position of Homeland Security Secretary, but Priebus has made clear that they still want him involved in the administration in some shape or form:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/poli ... /95096546/


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07 Dec 2016, 6:36 pm

beneficii wrote:
Grandchild of Holocaust survivor says in times like these to take "every poisoned word as a promise":

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The first, and most obvious, is this: Treat every poisoned word as a promise. When a bigoted blusterer tells you he intends to force members of a religious minority to register with the authorities—much like those friends and family of Siegfried’s who stayed behind were forced to do before their horizon grew darker—believe him. Don’t try to be clever. Don’t lean on political intricacies or legislative minutia or historical precedents for comfort. Don’t write it off as propaganda, or explain it away as just an empty proclamation meant simply to pave the path to power. Take the haters at their word, and assume the worst is imminent.


http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-an ... for-disney

I will take this approach with Trump and all his appointees and allies, including the subject of this thread, Sheriff David Clarke.

I wonder what are the best safety action plans to make for dissidents and minority group members likely to be targeted by the regime. We have 7 weeks.


I personally am trying to buy remote land where I can at least attempt to ride out the storm, and be self-sufficient enough to deal with any adverse, unforeseen consequences such as an interruption in the supply of food from abroad should Trump start a huge Hawley-Smoot style trade war.

Looking at the various reactions to the whole Ghost Ship disaster, it's clear that members of ultra-marginalized microcultures such as the various queer, poc, disabled, and so on tended to see underground living in large cities as the safest places. That is likely no longer true. Already, there have been raids on underground safe spaces in Oakland, with all tenants simply thrown out into the cold and told to take a hike.

It's likely that microcultures will have to set up off grid living in secluded rural/remote areas if Trump and/or a successor really decides to hunt them down. Ownership and familiarity with firearms will also be a necessity, especially if there are pushes to round up large numbers of people and "deport" them, to borrow a Nazi euphemism. That's what comes to my mind right now.



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07 Dec 2016, 8:50 pm

Gen. John F. Kelly (USMC Ret.) will be the new Reichsfuhrer of Homeland Security.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/retired-marine-gen-john-f-kelly-picked-to-head-department-of-homeland-security/2016/12/07/165472f2-bbe6-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html


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08 Dec 2016, 2:19 am

I need to go into business selling tinfoil hats.



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08 Dec 2016, 2:22 am

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Gen. John F. Kelly (USMC Ret.) will be the new Reichsfuhrer of Homeland Security.

And I understand that Jacoby has been seen at Trump Tower interviewing for the position of Gauleiter of Arizona.


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08 Dec 2016, 2:25 am

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Gen. John F. Kelly (USMC Ret.) will be the new Reichsfuhrer of Homeland Security.




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08 Dec 2016, 2:48 am

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Gen. John F. Kelly (USMC Ret.) will be the new Reichsfuhrer of Homeland Security.

And I understand that Jacoby has been seen at Trump Tower interviewing for the position of Gauleiter of Arizona.


What's a Gauleiter? What are you trying to say?



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08 Dec 2016, 3:07 am

EzraS wrote:
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Gen. John F. Kelly (USMC Ret.) will be the new Reichsfuhrer of Homeland Security.

And I understand that Jacoby has been seen at Trump Tower interviewing for the position of Gauleiter of Arizona.


What's a Gauleiter? What are you trying to say?


A gau in Germany is the same as a county in English speaking countries (hence Kraichgau, as is the place where a Kraichgauer or his ancestors are from). Gauleiter was a party/political office in Germany, made infamous during the Nazi era.


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08 Dec 2016, 3:08 am

EzraS wrote:
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Gen. John F. Kelly (USMC Ret.) will be the new Reichsfuhrer of Homeland Security.

And I understand that Jacoby has been seen at Trump Tower interviewing for the position of Gauleiter of Arizona.

What's a Gauleiter? What are you trying to say?

I'm following Raptor's lead in ridiculing the unhinged left for screaming every other day that "OMG Trump's pick for ____ is a scary Nazi KKK Alt-Right Xenophobe Sexist Homophobe who will put us all in concentration camps and arrest all the Muslims and force everyone to pray to Jesus and if we don't escape to deep caves in the woods we'll all be incinerated in a global nuclear holocaust!! !"


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08 Dec 2016, 3:30 am

Trump picked Retired Marine Gen. John Kelly, not the "scary guy" discussed here.