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12 Dec 2016, 9:17 am

Personally I wonder if it doesn't just say more about DNC emails. What was in them that was so damaging to them? And if these hackers were so sophisticated, why did they leave fingerprints all over it? It seems more like the ability to hack the DNC was like basic hacking 101. If the nuclear weapons system is as vulnerable, we're all doomed for sure. Nah if that operation had been that sophisticated, they wouldn't have left a trace. And at this point they really don't know for sure if it was Putin or some kid living in a basement in Schenectady.

So three questions I have before hitting the panic button: How secure were the DNC emails? And what was in them that it could be used to sabotage them? And what solid proof is there that the Russian government was involved?



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12 Dec 2016, 9:25 am

I'm not advocating "hitting the panic button." I'm advocating investigating this.

I would investigate this had Hillary won, and it was the British who were hacking us.

We just can't leave ourselves open to cyber attack.



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12 Dec 2016, 9:30 am

Trying to blame the Russians for Hillary's loss is pathetic, it's all innuendo and no facts.



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12 Dec 2016, 9:35 am

androbot01 wrote:
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Before January 20, 2017 is pretty much the deadline for hoping to somehow overturn the vote. Or maybe it's just an attempt at saving face and saying "we did the best we could to get Hillary into the White House post election". How bad is the DNC? So bad it lost to Donald Trump. Donald effing Trump for for godsakes. Their level of embarrassment and desperation is palpable.


You are not getting it. Everyone knows Trump is going to be in office for the next four years (unless he screws it up.) That is not the issue.

The Russians have manipulated your country's election and all you can do is worry about the result being overturned. The issue is much bigger than that.


What exactly does that mean, the Russian's manipulated the election. How exactly? I know that whoever wikileaked DNC emails, but how exactly did that effect the election and why? And by Russians, does that mean Snowden equals the United Kingdom hacking the US? Just because maybe it was done in Russia doesn't mean it was done by Russia.

And if everyone knows Trump will be president, why the push to recount votes?



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12 Dec 2016, 9:45 am

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...And if everyone knows Trump will be president, why the push to recount votes?


The recount is done; the vote has been validated. Trump's in.

What I wonder is why the Transition Team is not concerned about another country hacking into American governmental business. In fact, if makes me wonder if the Russians have been able to gather information with which to blackmail people.



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12 Dec 2016, 9:52 am

Trump is in. Let HIM shoot HIMSELF in the foot.



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12 Dec 2016, 10:17 am

androbot01 wrote:
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...And if everyone knows Trump will be president, why the push to recount votes?


The recount is done; the vote has been validated. Trump's in.

What I wonder is why the Transition Team is not concerned about another country hacking into American governmental business. In fact, if makes me wonder if the Russians have been able to gather information with which to blackmail people.


That doesn't change the fact that the very recent recount, on top of petitioning electors to be unfaithful and switch to Clinton, attempts didn't smack of absolute desperation. I don't believe that level of desperation has suddenly evaporated and they've given up. This very well may be plan C so to speak in trying for a million to one shot to disqualify the election.

Once again at this point saying it was the Russians is like saying the United Kingdom or the Muslims are attacking us. What could be an individual like Snowden or some independent group like ISIS, does not automatically include an entire nation it's people and it's government. What's with all the Cold War style paranoia over Russia from the same people who go on about Islamaphobia and Xenophobia? Is this them being Russiaphobic? It's sure beginning to look that way.



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12 Dec 2016, 11:21 am

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Trump is in. Let HIM shoot HIMSELF in the foot.


Still waiting for that fatal shot. Very Very doubtful of it happening. What more can he do to make it "this time he really went too far"?, literally shoot people on 5th Avenue?


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12 Dec 2016, 11:24 am

androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Before January 20, 2017 is pretty much the deadline for hoping to somehow overturn the vote. Or maybe it's just an attempt at saving face and saying "we did the best we could to get Hillary into the White House post election". How bad is the DNC? So bad it lost to Donald Trump. Donald effing Trump for for godsakes. Their level of embarrassment and desperation is palpable.


You are not getting it. Everyone knows Trump is going to be in office for the next four years (unless he screws it up.) That is not the issue.

The Russians have manipulated your country's election and all you can do is worry about the result being overturned. The issue is much bigger than that.


The fix is in, we are going to have a big pivot on policy towered Russia
Trump’s State Pick Raises Concern Over Russia Connection The ExxonMobil CEO reportedly enjoys a close relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin and his oligarchs.


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12 Dec 2016, 12:26 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Before January 20, 2017 is pretty much the deadline for hoping to somehow overturn the vote. Or maybe it's just an attempt at saving face and saying "we did the best we could to get Hillary into the White House post election". How bad is the DNC? So bad it lost to Donald Trump. Donald effing Trump for for godsakes. Their level of embarrassment and desperation is palpable.


You are not getting it. Everyone knows Trump is going to be in office for the next four years (unless he screws it up.) That is not the issue.

The Russians have manipulated your country's election and all you can do is worry about the result being overturned. The issue is much bigger than that.


The fix is in, we are going to have a big pivot on policy towered Russia
Trump’s State Pick Raises Concern Over Russia Connection The ExxonMobil CEO reportedly enjoys a close relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin and his oligarchs.


It raises concern but will it be enough to do anything?

I doubt it. I think house+senate will just go along for the ride, take bribes.. pass stupid bills that hurt people, etc. Remember how Trump said term limits would be a thing? I doubt he will still do that. Plus politicians are greedy and crooked enough as it is! So it's clear that many people will change their mind on Trump once they learn of the profits to be had. Trump's true motto is likely "Make Trump and friends richer again".

The time is now for Obama and others to show that Trump and friends are a threat to not only USA but the world. People can argue "being friends with Russia is the best idea" but Putin isnt a sane person! Why should USA be friends with him just to supposedly stop a "World War 3". Remember that nonsense from a Putin friend (or whoever the hell it was) that claimed World War 3 would happen if Clinton was elected? I think if WW3 happens- it simply wont be because of one person. Also its interesting to note- several republicans are still against Trump. So there's that and hopefully it means his crap wont be tolerated non-stop.

People love to make this a battle of democrats and republicans, but its simply more to it than that. Trump is a lying conman! If he was a democrat, it wouldnt make his past actions any better. He lies on a daily basis and people shrug it off quick because a new story pops up. People can whine that mainstream media is against Trump and its "fake news" but the facts ARE there- Trump is a crook with bad intentions. Look at his cabinet picks, a lot of people that are part of the swamp he claimed he was going to "drain". Sorry but giving swamp people jobs in your cabinet isnt draining it! Why are Trump supporters not noticing this or caring? There is no way all of these people are just innocent and the media is just smearing them. What more proof do you need? Does things have to be totally messed up before its noticed? I think even then.. people would find a way to still blame Clinton and/or democrats for this. So sickening.



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12 Dec 2016, 12:38 pm

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I think you are right. If he gets himself impeached which he is likely to do if he continues to mix business with politics then we will have President Pence, which is even worse.
This thing with the Russians is disturbing. The CIA has said that they affected the election. Trump's response is:

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Update: A statement from Trump's transition team, as expected, took a defiant tone about The Post's report: “These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and 'Make America Great Again.'”


Washington Post: The CIA concluded that Russia worked to elect Trump. Republicans now face an impossible choice.

He doesn't believe the CIA. His own country's intelligence agency. Or he knows they are right.


Oh, he knows they're right. And when it's made public, he and the Republican party will lose all credibility. There might even be an impeachment at the end of the road.


In reality, he knows they are lying. There's not a shred of evidence. You think the CIA just missed all the influences on the election from Qatar and Saudi Arabia? And the influence of America in general by Israel? Maybe they just aren't looking hard enough? You know, unless they think there's still enough paranoia from the decades of propaganda during the Cold War period and they can just say "Russia did it" and there's no evidence required because we've all seen the endless Hollywood productions with the Russian as the bad evil guy ya know.


When did Qatar and Saudi Arabia release filched emails by and on Trump to scandal hungry US intelligence? There's a difference between possibly financing a favored candidate, and actually trying to sway public opinion with intelligence perhaps taken out of context, as Russia had done.


Not "possibly", the Clintons have received millions from both states. They have a presidential candidate who millions of people are listening to and idolizing and she's lying through her teeth and just representing foreign countries, bankers and corporations. This is far more serious than "oh Russia".


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12 Dec 2016, 12:41 pm

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Frankly, no matter who won, tampering with the election results by the Russians (or even by the British) warrants a thorough investigation. Stuff like that just shouldn't be happening. This is really scary stuff, actually.

What would happen if somebody hacked into our nuclear-related stuff?


They already have, that's how Israel got nukes in the 60's.


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12 Dec 2016, 12:45 pm

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Unless you catch "hackers" in the act, it is very hard to determine who was doing the hacking. Why wasn't this brought up before election?


Can't hackers be traced?



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12 Dec 2016, 1:00 pm

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The transition team is refusing to accept the CIA findings. Why? Do they really hold the CIA in such contempt? Trump is showing his hand. I think he and Putin have a plan to take over the world.


:lol:

Putin has a plan for taking over the world,Trump is just a means to the end.


:lmao:


NO! NO! NO! It's all 100% true. Trump will join with the Federation and rule the Galaxy (dare I say UNIVERSE?). THE MASTER (Putin) will rule and DARTH VADER (Trump) will be the chief underling. It all makes perfect sense, you see. Watch the series if you don't believe me (you just have to read between the lines...a little).

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!! !!



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12 Dec 2016, 1:09 pm

ZenDen wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
The transition team is refusing to accept the CIA findings. Why? Do they really hold the CIA in such contempt? Trump is showing his hand. I think he and Putin have a plan to take over the world.


:lol:

Putin has a plan for taking over the world,Trump is just a means to the end.


:lmao:


NO! NO! NO! It's all 100% true. Trump will join with the Federation and rule the Galaxy (dare I say UNIVERSE?). THE MASTER (Putin) will rule and DARTH VADER (Trump) will be the chief underling. It all makes perfect sense, you see. Watch the series if you don't believe me (you just have to read between the lines...a little).

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!! ! !


http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/1 ... firms-cia/


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12 Dec 2016, 1:19 pm

Can someone help me with understanding the Democrat/CIA point-of-view here?

The claim is Russia hacked both parties but only reported the Dems/Hillary's transgressions? You know: the DNC and Hillary's lying and cheating Bernie, etc., etc. All true and confirmed and unopposed statements as far as I know.

And the Dems/Hillary's complaint is that the Russians did not divulge any nastiness found concerning Trump and the RNC even though their pet dog (the very political CIA since BUSH SR., ex-CIA Director, was in charge) insists (barks) that the RNC was hacked???

So if the Dems/Hillary are so convinced there should have been some proof of skullduggery (their reasoning seems to be it's impossible to run without cheating-big surprise) then what is the crime they're complaining about??? Or are they only complaining Trump should have been FORCED to do the kind of things Hillary's crew did and attempted?

The Dems complaints just seem like bad jokes. Am I wrong?