07 Jan 2017, 7:36 am
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07 Jan 2017, 7:51 am
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07 Jan 2017, 1:39 pm
07 Jan 2017, 2:12 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Probably not, going by Romney's results. Trump is a different animal to Romney. Because of the narcissist Obama is and his endorsement of Clinton, his pride would have taken a real kick. He needs to reassure himself.
Obama a narcissist? Compared to Trump, he's the most humble, selfless man on earth!
You just cannot criticise Obama, that's why you think that. Obama only called off the massacre of Gaza in 2009 because he didn't want it to interfere with his inauguration.
Massacre at Gaza? As it apparently never happened, I have to ask if it was ever planned for. I've never heard of such a thing.
You never heard of the massacre in Gaza in 2008/9? I guess CNN forgot to mention it. Gee, I wonder if CNN's memory would have been so bad if police in Texas had blown up a load of African Americans.
Yes, I recall what had happened in Gaza, but how the hell was Obama responsible for that? From your post, I assumed it was some planned American attack that had been allegedly called off by Obama. As I understand the incident, it involved Israel, Hamas in Gaza, and not at all the United States.
Oh my God
This is embarrassing. You do realise the US gives Israel like $10 million a day out of your taxes? The aid amount has been increased by Obama. The US also sells Israel some of the weapons they use in the massacres, the US gives Israel full support and there was a US army in the West Bank keeping people quiet. The US supports Israel's actions via the media and in the Security Council etc and they call the shots on when Israel's fun and games are over. Like with the 2014 massacre, once Israel bombed the 7th UN shelter, Obama called up Netanyahu and told him that enough's enough, and each day during the massacre the spineless pathetic puppet Obama came out and said "Israel has the right to defend itself" even after Israel bombed children playing football on a beach.
07 Jan 2017, 2:57 pm
07 Jan 2017, 3:27 pm
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07 Jan 2017, 4:50 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Probably not, going by Romney's results. Trump is a different animal to Romney. Because of the narcissist Obama is and his endorsement of Clinton, his pride would have taken a real kick. He needs to reassure himself.
Obama a narcissist? Compared to Trump, he's the most humble, selfless man on earth!
You just cannot criticise Obama, that's why you think that. Obama only called off the massacre of Gaza in 2009 because he didn't want it to interfere with his inauguration.
Massacre at Gaza? As it apparently never happened, I have to ask if it was ever planned for. I've never heard of such a thing.
You never heard of the massacre in Gaza in 2008/9? I guess CNN forgot to mention it. Gee, I wonder if CNN's memory would have been so bad if police in Texas had blown up a load of African Americans.
Yes, I recall what had happened in Gaza, but how the hell was Obama responsible for that? From your post, I assumed it was some planned American attack that had been allegedly called off by Obama. As I understand the incident, it involved Israel, Hamas in Gaza, and not at all the United States.
Oh my God
This is embarrassing. You do realise the US gives Israel like $10 million a day out of your taxes? The aid amount has been increased by Obama. The US also sells Israel some of the weapons they use in the massacres, the US gives Israel full support and there was a US army in the West Bank keeping people quiet. The US supports Israel's actions via the media and in the Security Council etc and they call the shots on when Israel's fun and games are over. Like with the 2014 massacre, once Israel bombed the 7th UN shelter, Obama called up Netanyahu and told him that enough's enough, and each day during the massacre the spineless pathetic puppet Obama came out and said "Israel has the right to defend itself" even after Israel bombed children playing football on a beach.In order to provoke Israel into attacking Iraq in order to break up America's Arab coalition, Saddam Hussein had fired missiles into Israel during the first Gulf War which had been built in Germany. Does that mean Germany was siding with Iraq?
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07 Jan 2017, 4:54 pm
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.How can Obama be popular when he doubled the national dept and destroyed healthcare for the working class?
Bush had kept the cost of his Iraqi adventure off the books officially, whereas Obama acknowledged it's reality. Plus, Obama had inherited a devastated economy from Bush.
And he ruined health care for the working class? In fact, millions of people who had been excluded from health care by cost or preexisting condition can see a doctor today.
They're still blaming Bush eh? That often repeated healthcare quote sounds good, but the fact is the majority of the working class had their good healthcare plans taken away from them and had it replaced with something that's pure awful. Huge premiums and astronomically high deductibles. But hey, it allows preexisting conditions and is affordable via subsidy for those who's income is so low, they qualified for free healthcare before Obamacare anyways.
Obamacare could have been tweaked here and there to work. Incidentally, what we today call Obamacare had started out as a Republican plan, thus all the problems with it.
Is the democratic stance one of total blame and zero accountability? Because it sure sounds that way. ACA started with Obama. It was a primary objective and pet project of his, based on his mother's hardships.
The ACA was originally devised by the Heritage Foundation, back when it was looking for a time like so called Hilarycare would be introduced during the Clinton years. Obama went with this flawed plan, instead of universal health care, because he naively hoped the congressional Republicans would jump aboard a plan that was originally theirs. He underestimated how much the Republicans would place making his administration fail over the good of the American people.
Well I'll have to look into that more. But again it comes off as zero culpability on his part with 100% of the blame going to the Republicans as usual. Interesting how it's a Republican president who's going to make it actually affordable by lowering premiums and deductibles. Or so that's the plan.
But I'm still going to maintain for now, if it hadn't been for Obama, we wouldn't have the mess called Obamacare, no matter who drafted the prototype.
At least Obama tried to do something to help millions of uninsured people, while the right only justified leaving all those Americans without help. Now the Republicans are trying to weasel out of their promise of replacing Obamacare by saying they will replace it overtime, in increments. Translation: they won't be replacing it, leaving millions to their own devices.
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07 Jan 2017, 4:56 pm
07 Jan 2017, 7:49 pm
EzraS wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.How can Obama be popular when he doubled the national dept and destroyed healthcare for the working class?
First, that didn't happen. But more importantly that was all awhile back, and he did a TON during his last year in office.
07 Jan 2017, 7:50 pm
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.How can Obama be popular when he doubled the national dept and destroyed healthcare for the working class?
Bush had kept the cost of his Iraqi adventure off the books officially, whereas Obama acknowledged it's reality. Plus, Obama had inherited a devastated economy from Bush.
And he ruined health care for the working class? In fact, millions of people who had been excluded from health care by cost or preexisting condition can see a doctor today.
They're still blaming Bush eh? That often repeated healthcare quote sounds good, but the fact is the majority of the working class had their good healthcare plans taken away from them and had it replaced with something that's pure awful. Huge premiums and astronomically high deductibles. But hey, it allows preexisting conditions and is affordable via subsidy for those who's income is so low, they qualified for free healthcare before Obamacare anyways.
Obamacare could have been tweaked here and there to work. Incidentally, what we today call Obamacare had started out as a Republican plan, thus all the problems with it.
Is the democratic stance one of total blame and zero accountability? Because it sure sounds that way. ACA started with Obama. It was a primary objective and pet project of his, based on his mother's hardships.
No, it was not. It was actually based on the plan Mitt Romney used for Michigan.
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07 Jan 2017, 9:33 pm
Ganondox wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.How can Obama be popular when he doubled the national dept and destroyed healthcare for the working class?
Bush had kept the cost of his Iraqi adventure off the books officially, whereas Obama acknowledged it's reality. Plus, Obama had inherited a devastated economy from Bush.
And he ruined health care for the working class? In fact, millions of people who had been excluded from health care by cost or preexisting condition can see a doctor today.
They're still blaming Bush eh? That often repeated healthcare quote sounds good, but the fact is the majority of the working class had their good healthcare plans taken away from them and had it replaced with something that's pure awful. Huge premiums and astronomically high deductibles. But hey, it allows preexisting conditions and is affordable via subsidy for those who's income is so low, they qualified for free healthcare before Obamacare anyways.
Obamacare could have been tweaked here and there to work. Incidentally, what we today call Obamacare had started out as a Republican plan, thus all the problems with it.
Is the democratic stance one of total blame and zero accountability? Because it sure sounds that way. ACA started with Obama. It was a primary objective and pet project of his, based on his mother's hardships.
No, it was not. It was actually based on the plan Mitt Romney used for Michigan.
Romney had wanted to run as a moderate Republican, but ended up sucking up to his party's far right, which believed letting the poor go without medical care would encourage them to either work harder, or just die and get out of the way.
08 Jan 2017, 12:16 am
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08 Jan 2017, 4:44 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
He probably would have, Obama is VERY popular right now.
among millennials certainly, they're the ones who support trump the least (on average).
president obama is one of the few constants these last few months, and people tend to latch onto those when things are rough.
but i don't think the older generations feel the same.
He's not very popular among millennials, he's EXTREMELY popular among them.
The fact is Obama is much more popular than Clinton.How can Obama be popular when he doubled the national dept and destroyed healthcare for the working class?
Bush had kept the cost of his Iraqi adventure off the books officially, whereas Obama acknowledged it's reality. Plus, Obama had inherited a devastated economy from Bush.
And he ruined health care for the working class? In fact, millions of people who had been excluded from health care by cost or preexisting condition can see a doctor today.
They're still blaming Bush eh? That often repeated healthcare quote sounds good, but the fact is the majority of the working class had their good healthcare plans taken away from them and had it replaced with something that's pure awful. Huge premiums and astronomically high deductibles. But hey, it allows preexisting conditions and is affordable via subsidy for those who's income is so low, they qualified for free healthcare before Obamacare anyways.
Obamacare could have been tweaked here and there to work. Incidentally, what we today call Obamacare had started out as a Republican plan, thus all the problems with it.
Is the democratic stance one of total blame and zero accountability? Because it sure sounds that way. ACA started with Obama. It was a primary objective and pet project of his, based on his mother's hardships.
No, it was not. It was actually based on the plan Mitt Romney used for Michigan.
Romney had wanted to run as a moderate Republican, but ended up sucking up to his party's far right, which believed letting the poor go without medical care would encourage them to either work harder, or just die and get out of the way.
I know I'm probably preaching to the choir but how can they not see the poor will work harder if they're healthy?
08 Jan 2017, 5:33 am
