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31 Jan 2017, 5:00 pm

Well turns out the guy was a right wing troll on internet forums. He was espousing misogyny and xenophobia.

http://uproxx.com/news/quebec-mosque-sh ... ist-troll/

Yeah that has nothing to do with the xenophobic misogynist in the White House or the rise of his brand of hate around the world. :roll:



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31 Jan 2017, 5:02 pm

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The shooters names were Alexandre Bissonnette and Mohamed Khadir, read into that what you will. It is a terrorist attack and I would not be surprised if more are involved, makes you wonder what the motivation is.

Only one shooter, which was Alexandre Bissonnette. The other person was released and considered a witness.

2 men in black but ONLY one is to be hung for it on basis of? other..non white, less vocal is considered witness.. ? say what?! other namne is now being erased as fast as it was blipped out to hear. What a Crock'O!

Wow. And how did they get hands on guns in Canada, thought it was pretty restricted there.
Already a political feeding frenzy. Poor schmucks having their "Sunday Service" are just collateral damage I guess. Bodies were not even cold before we had guesses of hate crimes and Islamist Extremists. The Media SuX!
And I curse fortune cookie curses! "Interesting times" indeed!


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31 Jan 2017, 5:09 pm

Of course the conspiracy extends to Canada. How could I have missed it? Are the white people there even more oppressed than in the US?


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31 Jan 2017, 5:16 pm

Toronto Star: The White House just cited the Quebec mosque attack to justify Trump’s policies “It’s a terrible reminder of why we must remain vigilant, and why the president is taking steps to be proactive, rather than reactive,” said White House press secretary Sean Spicer on Monday.

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U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration is citing the Sunday terrorist attack on Muslims at a mosque in Quebec City as an example of why his own anti-terror policies are needed — though those policies have targeted Muslims and though the accused killer is not Muslim.

The stupidity is unbelievable.



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31 Jan 2017, 6:17 pm

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Toronto Star: The White House just cited the Quebec mosque attack to justify Trump’s policies “It’s a terrible reminder of why we must remain vigilant, and why the president is taking steps to be proactive, rather than reactive,” said White House press secretary Sean Spicer on Monday.

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U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration is citing the Sunday terrorist attack on Muslims at a mosque in Quebec City as an example of why his own anti-terror policies are needed — though those policies have targeted Muslims and though the accused killer is not Muslim.

The stupidity is unbelievable.


Trump kind of lost track of who the victims were in Canada.


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31 Jan 2017, 6:20 pm

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That's absolutely ridiculous blaming Palin for Giffords getting shot, absolutely no connection whatsoever.


Back in2011 Crosshairs was a political phrase that emerged from Palin's political action committee SarahPac that targeted congressional districts for the Tea Party campaign in the last election, including the district of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

The graphic over Gifford's district was made to look like a gun sight, it is part of the hunting lexicon that Sarah Palin endorsed as an avid shooter. Gifford's opponent in the 2011 election was Jesse Kelly who followed Palin's lead and posted a stern-looking photo of the former Marine in military garb holding his weapon. It includes the headline: "Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.

Political leaders holding office (even those as undesirable as Palin, Trump or Le Pen) have a social responsibility to not use inflammatory language designed to normalise violent action. For instance Trump endorses his most trusted adviser to say things like this
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/us/p ... words.html

It's not rocket science (unless you are Trump or Palin supporter)


Laughtner had no connection to reality whatsoever and was obsessed with Giffords for no coherent reason, I very very much doubt he saw some stupid obscure target graphic on the facebook page of her SuperPAC so blaming Palin for Giffords getting shot is just a malicious lie and you know it. How disingenous is the last part, there is a social responsibility on those in office not to use inflammatory rhetoric except if used towards Donald Trump o Sarah alin.



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31 Jan 2017, 7:22 pm

I think it's horrible. I read that people have described the suspect as a Trump supporter. So there you go. Canada is not the magical winter wonderland safe haven so many non-Trump Americans seem to think it is, the hate of Trump has tainted even our so-called big friendly polite country, and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. If it gets better. :(



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31 Jan 2017, 8:02 pm

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Laughtner had no connection to reality whatsoever and was obsessed with Giffords for no coherent reason, I very very much doubt he saw some stupid obscure target graphic on the facebook page of her SuperPAC so blaming Palin for Giffords getting shot is just a malicious lie and you know it. How disingenous is the last part, there is a social responsibility on those in office not to use inflammatory rhetoric except if used towards Donald Trump o Sarah alin.

We don't know that for sure.

Getting back to the subject, normalisation through social learning of peers using language that's aggressive and anti-minority does influence people to do evil acts. Dylan Roof became radicalised through exposure to media reports as well as the ranting of right wing groups whom he perceived as mentors. It's not a hard stretch that young white men who take what Steve Bannon or Donald Trump seriously might think it's ok to treat Mexicans or muslims as subhuman or treat women as sex objects.



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31 Jan 2017, 8:09 pm

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Getting back to the subject, normalisation through social learning of peers using language that's aggressive and anti-minority does influence people to do evil acts. Dylan Roof became radicalised through exposure to media reports as well as the ranting of right wing groups whom he perceived as mentors. It's not a hard stretch that young white men who take what Steve Bannon or Donald Trump seriously might think it's ok to treat Mexicans or muslims as subhuman or treat women as sex objects.


Well there are reports saying that is in fact what is happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -president

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-e ... index.html



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31 Jan 2017, 10:39 pm

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How disingenous is the last part, there is a social responsibility on those in office not to use inflammatory rhetoric except if used towards Donald Trump o Sarah alin.



Get over yourself :roll:

As much as you want to paint the left as equally agressive as the right, we all know if it were true, trump would have lost the electoral college as well as the popular vote.



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01 Feb 2017, 1:35 am

Lukeda420 wrote:
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Getting back to the subject, normalisation through social learning of peers using language that's aggressive and anti-minority does influence people to do evil acts. Dylan Roof became radicalised through exposure to media reports as well as the ranting of right wing groups whom he perceived as mentors. It's not a hard stretch that young white men who take what Steve Bannon or Donald Trump seriously might think it's ok to treat Mexicans or muslims as subhuman or treat women as sex objects.


Well there are reports saying that is in fact what is happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -president

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-e ... index.html


Yes it's most strange that the extreme right views seem to be more robust and enthusiastic under Trump. Almost like they have been "let of their leash"



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01 Feb 2017, 8:57 am

cyberdad wrote:
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cyberdad wrote:
Getting back to the subject, normalisation through social learning of peers using language that's aggressive and anti-minority does influence people to do evil acts. Dylan Roof became radicalised through exposure to media reports as well as the ranting of right wing groups whom he perceived as mentors. It's not a hard stretch that young white men who take what Steve Bannon or Donald Trump seriously might think it's ok to treat Mexicans or muslims as subhuman or treat women as sex objects.


Well there are reports saying that is in fact what is happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -president

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-e ... index.html


Yes it's most strange that the extreme right views seem to be more robust and enthusiastic under Trump. Almost like they have been "let of their leash"

You mean come out of their holes.



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01 Feb 2017, 9:13 am

feral botanist wrote:
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Lukeda420 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Getting back to the subject, normalisation through social learning of peers using language that's aggressive and anti-minority does influence people to do evil acts. Dylan Roof became radicalised through exposure to media reports as well as the ranting of right wing groups whom he perceived as mentors. It's not a hard stretch that young white men who take what Steve Bannon or Donald Trump seriously might think it's ok to treat Mexicans or muslims as subhuman or treat women as sex objects.


Well there are reports saying that is in fact what is happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -president

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-e ... index.html


Yes it's most strange that the extreme right views seem to be more robust and enthusiastic under Trump. Almost like they have been "let of their leash"

You mean come out of their holes.


It really sucks that they have total victory.



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01 Feb 2017, 12:41 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:
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Getting back to the subject, normalisation through social learning of peers using language that's aggressive and anti-minority does influence people to do evil acts. Dylan Roof became radicalised through exposure to media reports as well as the ranting of right wing groups whom he perceived as mentors. It's not a hard stretch that young white men who take what Steve Bannon or Donald Trump seriously might think it's ok to treat Mexicans or muslims as subhuman or treat women as sex objects.


Well there are reports saying that is in fact what is happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -president

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-e ... index.html


Robin Rhodes, 57, president of Nitrofreeze Cryogenic Solutions, a metals company based in Worcester, MA, was at JFK "waiting for a flight to Massachusetts when he approached an employee wearing a hijab and sitting in her office, according to the Queens district attorney. Authorities said that Rhodes punched the door and kicked Rabeeya Khan's leg.
The DA said Rhodes tried to block her from leaving, but then her, got to his knees as if praying, cursed Islam and shouted "Trump is here now. He will get rid of all of you.""
Since the alleged assault took place at an airport, there will probably be lots of video evidence.

We'll see. But there does seem to be a disquieting trend.

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/232027056-story


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01 Feb 2017, 10:05 pm

EzraS wrote:
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Lukeda420 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Getting back to the subject, normalisation through social learning of peers using language that's aggressive and anti-minority does influence people to do evil acts. Dylan Roof became radicalised through exposure to media reports as well as the ranting of right wing groups whom he perceived as mentors. It's not a hard stretch that young white men who take what Steve Bannon or Donald Trump seriously might think it's ok to treat Mexicans or muslims as subhuman or treat women as sex objects.


Well there are reports saying that is in fact what is happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -president

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-e ... index.html


Yes it's most strange that the extreme right views seem to be more robust and enthusiastic under Trump. Almost like they have been "let of their leash"

You mean come out of their holes.


It really sucks that they have total victory.



And yet still lost the popular election.



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EzraS wrote:
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cyberdad wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Getting back to the subject, normalisation through social learning of peers using language that's aggressive and anti-minority does influence people to do evil acts. Dylan Roof became radicalised through exposure to media reports as well as the ranting of right wing groups whom he perceived as mentors. It's not a hard stretch that young white men who take what Steve Bannon or Donald Trump seriously might think it's ok to treat Mexicans or muslims as subhuman or treat women as sex objects.


Well there are reports saying that is in fact what is happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -president

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-e ... index.html


Yes it's most strange that the extreme right views seem to be more robust and enthusiastic under Trump. Almost like they have been "let of their leash"

You mean come out of their holes.


It really sucks that they have total victory.

"total victory" was commonly used by fascist leaders like Hitler in his speeches, no surprise this type of language seems to be creeping back in fashion with Trump at the helm