GOP Reveals Plan For Replacing Affordable Care Act

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10 Mar 2017, 7:07 pm

She did say she used the "alternative fact calculator."



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10 Mar 2017, 7:09 pm

Obamacare premiums rose by 113% here in Arizona, the law is NOT working! It's made healthcare more expensive and has given patients less choice. It fundamentally failed in what it intended to do.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:09 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
She did say she used the "alternative fact calculator."


What?



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10 Mar 2017, 7:10 pm

There's no such thing as a $200 per year deductible even in the best plans.

$50 a month is for people lucky enough to be civil servants.

If one is forced to buy private insurance, expect to pay at least $200 a month, and that's for the "bronze" plans.

We are a civilized country; we should have national health insurance.

When someone uses the "alternative fact calculator," it means the person pulls things out of his/her butt.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:23 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There's no such thing as a $300 per year deductible even in the best plans.


My aunt had a $200 then went up to $300 deductible for nearly 20 years up until 2011. Everyone in her line of work (wich is a massive industry) had the same or similar through their employer.

kraftiekortie wrote:
$50 a month is for people lucky enough to be civil servants.

If one is forced to buy private insurance, expect to pay at least $200 a month, and that's for the "bronze" plans.

We are a civilized country; we should have national health insurance.

When someone uses the "alternative fact calculator," it means the person pulls things out of his/her butt.


So you are saying the calculation androbot01 provided me is inaccurate or only applies to civil servants? :(

Okay, then what's the actual exact figure for my aunt then?

Not more political statements or opinions please!

The exact figure please.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:27 pm

I don't make political statements.

I make statements based on the facts before me.

I would to know a lot of personal stuff about your aunt. I would have to know what county she lives in. I would have to know her gross salary, and maybe her net salary. I would have to know how many are in her family. I would have to know if anybody else in her family works. I would have to know if any of her kids receive government assistance, etc. Many things. Things I didn't even list.

You can't calculate somebody's health costs based on just a few things. It's complicated.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:28 pm

EzraS wrote:
So you are saying the calculation androbot01 provided me is inaccurate or only applies to civil servants? :( Okay, then what's the actual exact figure for my aunt then? Not more political statements please! The exact figure please.

the poster was pulling your leg. the GOP plan's sliding scale based on age is between $1500-$2700. keep in mind that a basic catastrophic plan for somebody in their 50s is usually gonna be between $500-700 per month out of pocket for premiums, and the GOP's tax DEDUCTION [NOT a credit] only applies if somebody pays at least that much income tax per year. minimum wage workers do NOT. the result, is that your aunt is likely gonna come out worse.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:32 pm

I like Ann. But she was pulling your leg.

She was making fun of Trump's "alternative facts."

Civil servants get excellent health care, and they've been getting it for years. The figures Ann mentioned are civil service-type figures. It is rare for non-civil servants to get such low cost for their health care.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:37 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't make political statements.

I make statements based on the facts before me.

I would to know a lot of personal stuff about your aunt. I would have to know what county she lives in. I would have to know her gross salary, and maybe her net salary. I would have to know how many are in her family. I would have to know if anybody else in her family works. I would have to know if any of her kids receive government assistance, etc. Many things. Things I didn't even list.

You can't calculate somebody's health costs based on or a few things.


Her yearly gross salary is about $25,000 per year. She has one child. She lives in Snohomish county, WA. It is is just her and her kid. They do not qualify for any health insurance assistance or any assistance that would effect the price of their heath care.

I already said all of the above a few times already, so I don't get how you say you weren't already given this information.

I like and respect you very much krafti, but you're just saying stuff. Just giving your personal thoughts and opinions.

androbot01 ran the calculations with the info above.

What are your calculations, since you are disputing those given by androbot01?



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10 Mar 2017, 7:40 pm

Obamacare made pretty much everyone that didn't gain new coverage from Medicaid or were denied because of preexisting condition worse off which is the vast majority of the country. Even those already on Medicaid were made worse off because of the huge influx of new enrollees didn't correspond with a huge influx of new doctors who were already hesitant to see Medicaid patients.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:42 pm

Oh I didn't read it right and see she said alternative facts calculator.

Why do some of you get off so much on screwing with a severely cognitively disabled person?

Screw it. All anyone is going to do is provide BS and horror scenarios.

Thanks for nothing.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:43 pm

keep in mind the GOP plan as it is now is subject to change, deteriorative change meaning even more miserly than it is now as the GOP's right wing is opposed even to tax deductions for working folk. the plan is a tax deduction meaning you can write off, based on age, between $1500-$2700 to be applied to a private individual health plan. the state exchanges will no longer be funded. say goodbye to them. you will not be able to find ANY health plan that charges only $1500-$2700 per year, not one that actually IS insurance as opposed to just a sham product that takes your money and never gives any back. I guarangoddamntee it. androbot was using the trumpian meme "alternative facts" to point this out to you.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:43 pm

All right. I'll see what I can do. It'll only be approximate, though. There are many factors in play which I don't even know about.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:50 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
All right. I'll see what I can do. It'll only be approximate, though. There are many factors in play which I don't even know about.

http://energycommerce.house.gov/sites/r ... areAct.pdf



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10 Mar 2017, 7:50 pm

auntblabby wrote:
keep in mind the GOP plan as it is now is subject to change, deteriorative change meaning even more miserly than it is now as the GOP's right wing is opposed even to tax deductions for working folk. the plan is a tax deduction meaning you can write off, based on age, between $1500-$2700 to be applied to a private individual health plan. the state exchanges will no longer be funded. say goodbye to them. you will not be able to find ANY health plan that charges only $1500-$2700 per year, not one that actually IS insurance as opposed to just a sham product that takes your money and never gives any back. I guarangoddamntee it. androbot was using the trumpian meme "alternative facts" to point this out to you.


Yeah whatever. I'll just go to an actual reliable source instead of all this the GOP monsters out to ruin everyone and other emotional opinionated subjective jazz.



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10 Mar 2017, 7:52 pm

EzraS wrote:
Yeah whatever. I'll just go to an actual reliable source instead of all this the GOP monsters out to ruin everyone and other emotional opinionated subjective jazz.

Make sure you read the fine print.