Should United Airlines Officers Be Charged for Assault?

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12 Apr 2017, 11:06 am

I'm surprised they couldn't find somebody to volunteer to take the $800 to take a later flight, I think a hotel stay was offered too?



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12 Apr 2017, 1:42 pm

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I'm surprised they couldn't find somebody to volunteer to take the $800 to take a later flight,
I suspect the people who bought tickets for the flight felt like they were entitled to get what they bought.


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12 Apr 2017, 6:00 pm

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I'm surprised they couldn't find somebody to volunteer to take the $800 to take a later flight, I think a hotel stay was offered too?

Yeah, they offered them a hotel stay, but the $800 wasn't in CASH, it was in VOUCHERS (that, IIRC, had to be used within a year), and I wouldn't've taken it, either. IMO, they need to come-up-with a WAAAAY better plan for getting their employees, wherever; cuz, the plan they've got (kicking paying customers off planes) is total horse-hockey, IMO!!






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12 Apr 2017, 6:08 pm

Well, all of the officers involved in the incident have now been suspended. Each passenger was issued a refund. And the CEO has said that United will never use officers to remove a passenger for such a silly reason ever again. So that's good. I imagine the doctor will get a nice settlement too.



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12 Apr 2017, 6:24 pm

I haven't really followed this story, but I see additional wrinkles are starting to emerge. The "doctor" removed from the flight actually had a suspended medical license, and he was a convicted felon, previously found guilty of drug trafficking:

One of the protestations made by Dr. David Dao of Elizabethtown, Ky., while he was still in his seat on a now-infamous United Airlines flight bound for Louisville last Sunday was that he had patients awaiting treatment. But new details are surfacing that puts a lie at least to the claim that Dao had was on his way to administer treatment. According to the New York Post, Dao lost his medical licence in 2003 following his arrest on charges of unlawful prescribing and trafficking in a controlled substance, both felonies....

He was accused of providing prescriptions for Vicodin and other narcotics to a former patient he later hired as his office manger, who was identified in news reports at the time as Brian Case.

The men repeatedly hooked up in motels, with Dao paying Case around $200 each time and also sharing in the drugs, according to a 130-page file compiled by the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure.


http://libertyunyielding.com/2017/04/12 ... s-revoked/


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12 Apr 2017, 6:58 pm

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.. had a suspended medical license, and he was a convicted felon, previously found guilty of drug trafficking
Yes, and ...?


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12 Apr 2017, 7:53 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Darmok wrote:
.. had a suspended medical license, and he was a convicted felon, previously found guilty of drug trafficking
Yes, and ...?


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There is presently confusion about whether the man on the United flight was actually David Thanh Duc Dao, quite possibly another person entirely to David Anh Duy Dao, the man with the criminal records.


Independent: Is the United Airlines man being smeared in the media even the right David Dao? It shouldn't matter

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It’s unclear who did that digging and whether serious mistakes in accuracy were made, but there’s one thing any decent human being should be able to agree on: it doesn’t matter what David Dao did or didn’t do in his past, because none of it is relevant to whether or not he should have been left in hospital after boarding a flight home. Acting like his history might make it “less bad” to beat him up is a dangerous position to take with serious consequences.


He paid for his ticket; he was not a security risk.



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12 Apr 2017, 8:47 pm

Whenever something like this happens, it's because of Trump. Trump is to blame for everything, including things that look like they have nothing to do with him. Bad weather? Trump. Fall down the stairs? Trump. Famous person dead? Trump. Coral bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef? Trump.



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12 Apr 2017, 8:57 pm

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Whenever something like this happens, it's because of Trump. Trump is to blame for everything, including things that look like they have nothing to do with him. Bad weather? Trump. Fall down the stairs? Trump. Famous person dead? Trump. Coral bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef? Trump.

I understand he's also responsible for the giant cold spot recently discovered on Jupiter. Everything used to be nice and warm there, but not anymore.


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12 Apr 2017, 9:36 pm

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I haven't really followed this story, but I see additional wrinkles are starting to emerge. The "doctor" removed from the flight actually had a suspended medical license, and he was a convicted felon, previously found guilty of drug trafficking:


No that appears to have been a smear job.

That Dr Dao is a different man who lived in, was licensed in, and practised in a different state to the man who was dragged off the plane.

Although I'm not familiar with it as a publication, the Courier-journal seems to have actually bothered to do some basic fact checking before running with the story and this is what they found.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2017/04/12/yes-kentucky-doctor-david-dao-who-dragged-off-united-plane/100380420/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

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A statement issued by the Chicago Police Department – which was not directly involved in the incident – earlier this week described the man dragged off the plane as a 69-year-old Asian male. Court records in Kentucky of a David A. Dao match that age, sex and race and provide an address that corresponds with medical licensure board records for Dao, who is listed as both David A. Dao and David A. D. Dao.
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A search of online records – including Louisiana medical licensing records, a health insurance industry site and an address database – show that man(the de-registered Dr) indeed has a different middle name and is significantly younger than 69.


Some guys on reddit also did a lot of digging into the medical license records of each state, and came to the same conclusion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/ ... r/dg5toek/

The Dr Dao who was thrown off the plane, and the Dr Dao who was de-registered, seem to have nothing in common except their surname and profession.



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13 Apr 2017, 9:32 am

Darmok wrote:
I haven't really followed this story, but I see additional wrinkles are starting to emerge. The "doctor" removed from the flight actually had a suspended medical license, and he was a convicted felon, previously found guilty of drug trafficking:

One of the protestations made by Dr. David Dao of Elizabethtown, Ky., while he was still in his seat on a now-infamous United Airlines flight bound for Louisville last Sunday was that he had patients awaiting treatment. But new details are surfacing that puts a lie at least to the claim that Dao had was on his way to administer treatment. According to the New York Post, Dao lost his medical licence in 2003 following his arrest on charges of unlawful prescribing and trafficking in a controlled substance, both felonies....

He was accused of providing prescriptions for Vicodin and other narcotics to a former patient he later hired as his office manger, who was identified in news reports at the time as Brian Case.

The men repeatedly hooked up in motels, with Dao paying Case around $200 each time and also sharing in the drugs, according to a 130-page file compiled by the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure.


http://libertyunyielding.com/2017/04/12 ... s-revoked/

His license was reinstated in 2015, and he was again, practicing.

I'm not so sure about this mis-identification, as the man on the plane was headed for Kentucky, and the man whose license was revoked, was in Kentucky----although, it WOULD explain my surprise at their reporting the man on the plane, was 69-years-old.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-united-passenger-20170411-story.html





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13 Apr 2017, 9:47 am

Also, I just found THIS:

No, the media did not identify the wrong David Dao as United's passenger


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Except the Internet’s Louisiana rumors aren’t true.

"That is totally wrong, yeah," said a receptionist who answered the phone at the office in Elizabethtown where Dao's wife works. She confirmed that, yes, the Elizabethtown David Dao is the same David Dao who was on the United flight.





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13 Apr 2017, 9:56 am

It is irrelevant whether Dao had a record or not. The fault lies with United for their behaviour. Dao complied with his end of the contract, paying for his seat and not posing a security risk. He was removed because he was randomly picked to be bumped for a United employee. United breached the contract and wrongfully used force.

Dao will get a fortune.



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13 Apr 2017, 12:07 pm

One of the first questions, which people ask, when trying to analyze this situation, is whether the plane or business is an example of private property, which has the right to refuse service to anyone.

Actually, the airlines were one of the first, most-notorious too-big-to-fails, so arguably received conditional subsides. (Are gate rapists at private landing strips.) Medical colleges and hospitals were subsidized.

If you mean to judge the doctor, the airline, and the school, based on their individual merits (and, not based on their govt grants) you might use independent establishments. Take your natural right to contract to a non-coercive venue.

None of the players involved, (and, particularly not the praetors) are examples of moral free agency.

Knowing this, if you are molested, by any of these establishments, by anyone in the story, you are the only one to blame.

You consciously expect someone to put their fingers in your drink (if you are lucky) and you still support them with your patronage and contrition. Even if you can never realistically convince the 99%, at least, practice control over yourself.

Everyone who accepts these conditions is a collaborator, knowingly. For instance, a whole plane of passive bystanders. Without getting too handy, with the air marshals, they could have simply said they would not be a party, to this disgusting behavior. Rather, than physically-restraining the praetors, what if every last person just got off the plane, in a courteous and orderly way.



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13 Apr 2017, 1:32 pm

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Well, all of the officers involved in the incident have now been suspended.

The officers were not "suspended".

They were placed on paid leave while the investigation is being conducted.

Likely, the police will conclude that they acted legally, since it's likely a crime to refuse to follow their directions.

Failure to obey a police order ... is a crime in many jurisdictions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_t ... lice_order

Likely, the police will fault the passenger for causing his own injuries, since he resisted their directions, and acted child-like.



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13 Apr 2017, 1:40 pm

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Likely, the police will conclude that they acted legally, since it's likely a crime to refuse to follow their directions.

Yeah, they're rushing to press charges. :roll: