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29 May 2017, 5:02 pm

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Please point to where, on this thread, that I said I thought he was an Aspie.

If you didn't, I apologize, but as you had used bullying for being an Aspie as an example, I thought it was inferred.

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29 May 2017, 6:52 pm

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Have some sympathy for this violent racist? I hope she can get counseling, more than her attacker.

What if every time YOU did something to hurt an NT, somebody said they had more sympathy for the person you hurt? Now, grant it, no Aspie-driven thing we've done, is as bad as killing someone----but, IMO, the principle's the same. How many thousands and THOUSANDS of posts are on here, about people asking "Why don't / won't they even TRY to understand, us?", and they have gotten compassion / empathy, etc.----yet, we're not willing to extend that very same compassion, understanding, etc., to OTHERS? How is it we feel we even have the RIGHT to continue to ask for it, then?

I do tend to extend compassion and understanding to others, but brutally murdering two people and leaving others traumatized kind of puts a damper on compassion towards that individual. I am not going to say anyone with nazi sentiments or who gets sucked into extremist views deserves no compassion whatsoever....I think a lot of people like that are misguided and maybe could learn the error of their ways yet....but if they go on to actually kill people then that has to be punished.

I mean I had a period I was considering nazi philosophy...even considered running away from home to stay with any neo-nazi that might take me in(so glad I did not, scary part is I am sure there are plenty of people that would have been willing to 'take in' confused, runaway teenage girl whilst having alteriror motives)...so I get it that people can be disturbed, mentally ill, feel like an outcast and get sort of sucked in.

The neo nazis and other extremists like islamic extremists and even gangs also know this....they target vulnerable people to sucker them in, make them feel welcome....like if they join up they'll finally have a 'family'.

Okay, since this is the second time, now, that you have responded to a post of mine, on this thread, with saying that he should be punished, I guess I've got to respond..... I don't feel he SHOULDN'T be punished----that's part of why I said on my very first post on this thread: "NOT that that should be used as an EXCUSE for his behavior".


I did post the thread, so naturally I respond to posts in it. :?

And fine then I disagree with you that he should not be punished. He murdered two people, I agree with the notion that murder is a prison worthy sentence at least. The idea that he should just be free to go, with no punishment sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

Do you also think Islamic extremists who commit terrorist attacks shouldn't be punished either? I just hope you are consistent at least.


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29 May 2017, 6:59 pm

Uhh guys this topic is about a murder, and problems with extremism...not wether or not the nazis were socialist, so that it can turn into bickering between right wingers and left wingers.

Two people were killed trying to defend women from abuse...they deserve honor and respect for their heroic actions and the victims deserve respect and compassion not people using this tragedy as a venue to criticize people for not being compassionate enough towards murderers and terrorists.


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29 May 2017, 7:07 pm

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Uhh guys this topic is about a murder, and problems with extremism...not wether or not the nazis were socialist, so that it can turn into bickering between right wingers and left wingers.

Two people were killed trying to defend women from abuse...they deserve honor and respect for their heroic actions and the victims deserve respect and compassion not people using this tragedy as a venue to criticize people for not being compassionate enough towards murderers and terrorists.


That is correct. I couldn't help but respond to an utterly ludicrous post, though. I will try to stick to the subject at hand, but the other poster must also stick to said subject.


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29 May 2017, 8:08 pm

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Okay, since this is the second time, now, that you have responded to a post of mine, on this thread, with saying that he should be punished, I guess I've got to respond..... I don't feel he SHOULDN'T be punished----that's part of why I said on my very first post on this thread: "NOT that that should be used as an EXCUSE for his behavior".

I did post the thread, so naturally I respond to posts in it. :?

And fine then I disagree with you that he should not be punished. He murdered two people, I agree with the notion that murder is a prison worthy sentence at least. The idea that he should just be free to go, with no punishment sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

Do you also think Islamic extremists who commit terrorist attacks shouldn't be punished either? I just hope you are consistent at least.

Please direct me to where I said he should not be punished----if you can't read, there's not a thing I can do, to help ya.....




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29 May 2017, 8:13 pm

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I think it's disgusting the way certain media and people are tying to politically exploit this tragedy committed by a lone individual who is obviously nuts.

But exploiting tragedies perpetrated by lone Islamist nuts is fair game? People don't develop racist ideology on their own, and this guy apparently parroted the exact words of assorted racist supporters of DJT.

What a transparently shallow remark!


Islam has nothing to do with race. Different issue entirely.



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29 May 2017, 8:43 pm

Portland mayor wants 'Trump free speech' rally cancelled after attack

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The mayor of Portland, Ore., is calling for a "Trump free speech rally" to be canceled after a man directing anti-Muslim rhetoric at two women fatally stabbed two men and injured a third this weekend, according to the Associated Press.

Mayor Ted Wheeler said he's worried that attendees of the proposed rally and other similar events could "peddle a message of hatred," the AP reported.
A Facebook page for the rally said speakers will include Kyle Chapman, who describes himself as an American nationalist and is an ardent Trump supporter.


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29 May 2017, 9:07 pm

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Okay, since this is the second time, now, that you have responded to a post of mine, on this thread, with saying that he should be punished, I guess I've got to respond..... I don't feel he SHOULDN'T be punished----that's part of why I said on my very first post on this thread: "NOT that that should be used as an EXCUSE for his behavior".

I did post the thread, so naturally I respond to posts in it. :?

And fine then I disagree with you that he should not be punished. He murdered two people, I agree with the notion that murder is a prison worthy sentence at least. The idea that he should just be free to go, with no punishment sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

Do you also think Islamic extremists who commit terrorist attacks shouldn't be punished either? I just hope you are consistent at least.

Please direct me to where I said he should not be punished----if you can't read, there's not a thing I can do, to help ya.....


uhh well I think you misunderstood my earlier responses..because I was actually kind of agreeing with some of what you posted and was under the impression you were on board with him being punished. And I read your last post wrong causing me to think I was wrong about you agreeing he should be punished :oops:....so i guess I take back my disagreement.


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29 May 2017, 9:49 pm

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Okay, since this is the second time, now, that you have responded to a post of mine, on this thread, with saying that he should be punished, I guess I've got to respond..... I don't feel he SHOULDN'T be punished----that's part of why I said on my very first post on this thread: "NOT that that should be used as an EXCUSE for his behavior".

I did post the thread, so naturally I respond to posts in it. :?

And fine then I disagree with you that he should not be punished. He murdered two people, I agree with the notion that murder is a prison worthy sentence at least. The idea that he should just be free to go, with no punishment sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

Do you also think Islamic extremists who commit terrorist attacks shouldn't be punished either? I just hope you are consistent at least.

Please direct me to where I said he should not be punished----if you can't read, there's not a thing I can do, to help ya.....

uhh well I think you misunderstood my earlier responses..because I was actually kind of agreeing with some of what you posted and was under the impression you were on board with him being punished. And I read your last post wrong causing me to think I was wrong about you agreeing he should be punished :oops:....so i guess I take back my disagreement.

Okey-dokey----thankyou, for responding.

BTW, I didn't misunderstand your first response to me----I didn't respond to that particular post, because I DID feel you were agreeing with some of what I said.....




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29 May 2017, 10:24 pm

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I think it's disgusting the way certain media and people are tying to politically exploit this tragedy committed by a lone individual who is obviously nuts.

But exploiting tragedies perpetrated by lone Islamist nuts is fair game? People don't develop racist ideology on their own, and this guy apparently parroted the exact words of assorted racist supporters of DJT.

What a transparently shallow remark!


Islam has nothing to do with race. Different issue entirely.


Plenty of racists associate Islam with dark skin.


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30 May 2017, 10:07 am

The ugly face of Christian terror.



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30 May 2017, 10:09 am

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The ugly face of Christian terror.


ugh the guy wasn't Christian

he was actually some weirdo 'Odinist' pagan.



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30 May 2017, 11:59 am

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The ugly face of Christian terror.


ugh the guy wasn't Christian

he was actually some weirdo 'Odinist' pagan.


Now, that is true. Such neo-Norse/Germanic paganism is always tied to white nationalism. It's hard to believe that anyone would seriously put faith in such mythic and primitive deities. Rather, such a religious affiliation is a statement about one's devotion to the loony far right.


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30 May 2017, 2:10 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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The ugly face of Christian terror.


ugh the guy wasn't Christian

he was actually some weirdo 'Odinist' pagan.


Now, that is true. Such neo-Norse/Germanic paganism is always tied to white nationalism. It's hard to believe that anyone would seriously put faith in such mythic and primitive deities. Rather, such a religious affiliation is a statement about one's devotion to the loony far right.


That isn't really true, it is a very small portion of people who identify with norse/germanic paganism who are white nationalists. Also though I'd say the deities, are a lot more interesting, than just one omnipresent God in charge of everything.


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30 May 2017, 4:27 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
The ugly face of Christian terror.


ugh the guy wasn't Christian

he was actually some weirdo 'Odinist' pagan.


Now, that is true. Such neo-Norse/Germanic paganism is always tied to white nationalism. It's hard to believe that anyone would seriously put faith in such mythic and primitive deities. Rather, such a religious affiliation is a statement about one's devotion to the loony far right.


That isn't really true, it is a very small portion of people who identify with norse/germanic paganism who are white nationalists. Also though I'd say the deities, are a lot more interesting, than just one omnipresent God in charge of everything.


Then I stand corrected.


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30 May 2017, 8:59 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Lintar wrote:
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I think it's disgusting the way certain media and people are tying to politically exploit this tragedy committed by a lone individual who is obviously nuts.

But exploiting tragedies perpetrated by lone Islamist nuts is fair game? People don't develop racist ideology on their own, and this guy apparently parroted the exact words of assorted racist supporters of DJT.

What a transparently shallow remark!


Islam has nothing to do with race. Different issue entirely.


Plenty of racists associate Islam with dark skin.


I don't know about that, but in any case these people - if they exist - are racist because they hate people with dark skin. Anyone can be a muslim. I myself could become one if I wanted to. As R. Dawkins once said, "Anything that you can convert into, or apostasise out of, isn't a race". Opposing the religious ideology of Islam is not, and never can be, "racist".