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16 Aug 2017, 10:52 am

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Will these statue 'removals' extend to books next?


I don't see it stopping with statues of Confederate Generals.
I do see more violence of greater severity if this trend goes on...
Other than rabble rousing and manufactured offense, not to mention history revisionism, there really is no logical reason to be against mere statues.


f**k it, tear them all down. Why are they important?

Sometimes violence is the only way things will change.


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16 Aug 2017, 10:58 am

...Conversely, I never notice the people who bring up D-Byrd mentioning any contrition from Jesse Helms or Dtrom Thurmond, just for two --- Hm, they switched to R...Ooh, ooh, Mr. Kotter!! !! !! !! !! ! I know, the liberal media and George Soros covered up their contrition :mrgreen: !






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I am finding a different portrait of Lee. After the Civil War he called slavery evil and conducted himself like a gentleman, and worked to unite the country. Nothing about that “Unite the Right” march shared Lee’s values.


On numerous occasions, Lee called slavery an evil institution. For example, on December 28, 1856, he told President Franklin Pierce:
“There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former.”


If the left cannot accept Lee’s contrition after the Civil War than how can they forgive Sen. Robert Byrd (D) who was a member of the KKK at one time?

Answer: Because Byrd’s name is followed by an upper case D.[/quote]


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16 Aug 2017, 11:01 am

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...Do you mean by " he " The May, the Gov, or the author of the NR-printed - but reprinted from somewhere else, IIRC - article? And if you mean
my third choice, are you referring to the graphics that were printed with it? If that is what you mean -:I doubt very much that he had anything to do with the graphics that ran next to it.

The park was barricaded off on all sides other than two stairwells on one side, ie. it was a bottle with two openings in the same place. When the state of emergency was issued the speech attendees were pushed out into the counter-demonstrators. The police, depending on different stories, either stood down or were removed.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/police ... index.html

I'm at least glad that I'm seeing more articles with CNN and Huffington post that are actually asking questions about this.

The point being - when you push two openly hostile groups together there's no question as to what kind of result you'll get. I might maybe pull back some of my direct thoughts on the mayor and governor to see what shakes out but I'm pretty sure we're going to see investigations that'll get to the bottom of how something this stupid, short of criminal negligence on the part of city and government officials, could happen.


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16 Aug 2017, 11:20 am

rick sanchez wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Shrapnel wrote:
Will these statue 'removals' extend to books next?


I don't see it stopping with statues of Confederate Generals.
I do see more violence of greater severity if this trend goes on...
Other than rabble rousing and manufactured offense, not to mention history revisionism, there really is no logical reason to be against mere statues.


f**k it, tear them all down. Why are they important?

Sometimes violence is the only way things will change.


They are important to a lot of people for reasons you wouldn't understand. Why is it so important to tear them down?


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16 Aug 2017, 11:24 am

...So those poor waddle innocewent angels in the initial demonstration who carried Nazi banners and, per the NR guy, carried massive guns everywhere, were just FORCED, I said FORCED, to do naughty things because deep cover agents from George Soros and the liberal media overruled the initial marchers' best gal, real pal, and took them down to the levee, I said to the levee, of yelling epithets all by their globalist Woodrow Eilspn-worshipping selves, that shuffling throng :o ?
You haven't answered my initial ?,,,Hey, I'm Aspie, I'm super-literal :wink: ! And you, bro? Aren't you going to exercise your " Poindexter Pride " and make like Sheldon here :wink: ?







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...Do you mean by " he " The May, the Gov, or the author of the NR-printed - but reprinted from somewhere else, IIRC - article? And if you mean
my third choice, are you referring to the graphics that were printed with it? If that is what you mean -:I doubt very much that he had anything to do with the graphics that ran next to it.

The park was barricaded off on all sides other than two stairwells on one side, ie. it was a bottle with two openings in the same place. When the state of emergency was issued the speech attendees were pushed out into the counter-demonstrators. The police, depending on different stories, either stood down or were removed.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/police ... index.html

I'm at least glad that I'm seeing more articles with CNN and Huffington post that are actually asking questions about this.

The point being - when you push two openly hostile groups together there's no question as to what kind of result you'll get. I might maybe pull back some of my direct thoughts on the mayor and governor to see what shakes out but I'm pretty sure we're going to see investigations that'll get to the bottom of how something this stupid, short of criminal negligence on the part of city and government officials, could happen.[/quote]


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16 Aug 2017, 11:41 am

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...So those poor waddle innocewent angels in the initial demonstration who carried Nazi banners and, per the NR guy, carried massive guns everywhere, were just FORCED, I said FORCED, to do naughty things because deep cover agents from George Soros and the liberal media overruled the initial marchers' best gal, real pal, and took them down to the levee, I said to the levee, of yelling epithets all by their globalist Woodrow Eilspn-worshipping selves, that shuffling throng :o ?

In other words you can't do logic.

Lets try it this way - you have two batisht crazy groups of people, lets say rabid green team and meth-head purple team. They're mortal enemies with freedom to assemble. You have a police force present to keep these groups separate and you either have rabid team or meth head team in the inclosed area, doesn't matter which is on the inside or outside, it's a bit like separating water and elemental sodium or barium to avoid a firestorm. You take all of those measures to show that you have an understanding of what will happen if you press them together, and then, you proceed to press them together. It stands to reason that you had foreknowledge of the consequences of an action, knew that it would lead to serious injuries - possibly deaths, and you proceeded to then act in that manner.

I'm saying that the mayor, governor, or whoever else had a hand in directly causing the security meltdown is responsible for both the Antifa with cracked and bleeding skulls as well as the Alt-righters with cracked and bleeding skulls, the number of people on both side who got bear maced by the other, the number who took cement-filled water-bottles or coke cans to the head, etc..

As for innocent angels and George Soros I'll let you rattle on about that since that seems to be your fixation. Some people in this equation though, particularly the police and the officials in charge of giving them orders, have legal accountability for being adults and maintaining public safety - regardless of whether a bunch of internet forum posters, like here, can be bothered to take such things seriously in all the excitement of picking sides and having a play-war for their own social entertainment.


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16 Aug 2017, 11:49 am

Raptor wrote:
rick sanchez wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Shrapnel wrote:
Will these statue 'removals' extend to books next?


I don't see it stopping with statues of Confederate Generals.
I do see more violence of greater severity if this trend goes on...
Other than rabble rousing and manufactured offense, not to mention history revisionism, there really is no logical reason to be against mere statues.


f**k it, tear them all down. Why are they important?

Sometimes violence is the only way things will change.


They are important to a lot of people for reasons you wouldn't understand. Why is it so important to tear them down?


They are important because it gives some sense on confirmation that their feelings are not random and ultimately meaningless.

It isn't important. You are the one who seems concerned that it is a slippery slope. My solution was to run down your slope.


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16 Aug 2017, 11:51 am

...Conversely, why is it so important to the Confederate-lovers that you defend that they be left up in public places?

















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rick sanchez wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Shrapnel wrote:
Will these statue 'removals' extend to books next?


I don't see it stopping with statues of Confederate Generals.
I do see more violence of greater severity if this trend goes on...
Other than rabble rousing and manufactured offense, not to mention history revisionism, there really is no logical reason to be against mere statues.


f**k it, tear them all down. Why are they important?

Sometimes violence is the only way things will change.


They are important to a lot of people for reasons you wouldn't understand. Why is it so important to tear them down?[/quote]


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16 Aug 2017, 11:52 am

Raptor wrote:
rick sanchez wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Shrapnel wrote:
Will these statue 'removals' extend to books next?


I don't see it stopping with statues of Confederate Generals.
I do see more violence of greater severity if this trend goes on...
Other than rabble rousing and manufactured offense, not to mention history revisionism, there really is no logical reason to be against mere statues.


f**k it, tear them all down. Why are they important?

Sometimes violence is the only way things will change.


They are important to a lot of people for reasons you wouldn't understand. Why is it so important to tear them down?


I understand racism very well thank you very much.


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16 Aug 2017, 12:00 pm

A reminder to everybody here who is siding with the Neo Nazis. They would happily gas you along with the counter protesters no matter how hard you try to be odne of them.



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A reminder to everybody here who is siding with the Neo Nazis. They would happily gas you along with the counter protesters no matter how hard you try to be odne of them.


Yep.

Fun Fact: The first person to be killed by the Nazis was Gregor Strasser. He was a Nazi ... and he was killed for not being evil enough.


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16 Aug 2017, 12:12 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
ASS-P wrote:
...So those poor waddle innocewent angels in the initial demonstration who carried Nazi banners and, per the NR guy, carried massive guns everywhere, were just FORCED, I said FORCED, to do naughty things because deep cover agents from George Soros and the liberal media overruled the initial marchers' best gal, real pal, and took them down to the levee, I said to the levee, of yelling epithets all by their globalist Woodrow Eilspn-worshipping selves, that shuffling throng :o ?

In other words you can't do logic.

Lets try it this way - you have two batisht crazy groups of people, lets say rabid green team and meth-head purple team. They're mortal enemies with freedom to assemble. You have a police force present to keep these groups separate and you either have rabid team or meth head team in the inclosed area, doesn't matter which is on the inside or outside, it's a bit like separating water and elemental sodium or barium to avoid a firestorm. You take all of those measures to show that you have an understanding of what will happen if you press them together, and then, you proceed to press them together. It stands to reason that you had foreknowledge of the consequences of an action, knew that it would lead to serious injuries - possibly deaths, and you proceeded to then act in that manner.

I'm saying that the mayor, governor, or whoever else had a hand in directly causing the security meltdown is responsible for both the Antifa with cracked and bleeding skulls as well as the Alt-righters with cracked and bleeding skulls, the number of people on both side who got bear maced by the other, the number who took cement-filled water-bottles or coke cans to the head, etc..

As for innocent angels and George Soros I'll let you rattle on about that since that seems to be your fixation. Some people in this equation though, particularly the police and the officials in charge of giving them orders, have legal accountability for being adults and maintaining public safety - regardless of whether a bunch of internet forum posters, like here, can be bothered to take such things seriously in all the excitement of picking sides and having a play-war for their own social entertainment.


Yet only on one side did the violence result in killing a person. Of course if you have a group made up largely of white supremacists clashing with counter protestors it will be impossible to keep it 100% peaceful...but there is quite the difference between shouting, screaming chants, brawling and fist fights than plowing a vehicle into people, and carrying weapons, which if I am not mistaking some of the white supremacists who attended did.

The trouble is no matter how you slice it the white supremacists and angry protestors of the left are not just as bad as each other over all. White supremacists and neo nazis are the worst of the two, I mean think about what they stand for...you really really think the majority of people on the left are just as bad or worse than neo nazis? I don't get it...A white supremacist kills a person and people still manage to twist it around to liberals being to blame for all the violence.

I swear some people seem more upset about that nazi getting punched a while back than they are about that woman being killed and all the people hospitalized by a white supremacist.


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16 Aug 2017, 12:17 pm

Thankfully Sargon has at least a couple minutes of Richard Spencer addressing a school somewhere (scary) and Jared Taylor of American Renaissance at a press conference sharing their ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwSYhTWk6E8

The point being - people need to actually understand that these people aren't conservatives in any standard sense, they're collectivists and it's better to just call them, and fascists in general alt-communists. They're two sides of the same exact murderous coin. The moment people would realize that they're alt-commies is the moment they'd loose any illusion that they in any way stand for America or patriotism, they stand for their ideology and they're fishing through disgruntled white men for support in the same way that communists are grabbing of disaffected blacks and trying to roll them into BLM.

When you no-platform these speakers you put an air of grandeur on their ideas, behave as if they have powerful arguments (which - when they get to actual substance of their ideas they don't), and any disaffected or disenfranchised country white man or woman can project their hopes and dreams on these guys (the way people have been played by politics since time immemorial) all because there are no actual words or ideas to get in the way of that fantasy.


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16 Aug 2017, 12:19 pm

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Yet only on one side did the violence result in killing a person. Of course if you have a group made up largely of white supremacists clashing with counter protestors it will be impossible to keep it 100% peaceful...but there is quite the difference between shouting, screaming chants, brawling and fist fights than plowing a vehicle into people, and carrying weapons, which if I am not mistaking some of the white supremacists who attended did.

It sounds like you're saying you haven't watched many of the videos - either at Charlottesville of Antifa, or much of anywhere else. Saying you dislike one groups politics more than the other is one thing, saying that one group is more violent or corrosive to the rule of law than the other is a different matter entirely.


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16 Aug 2017, 12:20 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Thankfully Sargon has at least a couple minutes of Richard Spencer addressing a school somewhere (scary) and Jared Taylor of American Renaissance at a press conference sharing their ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwSYhTWk6E8

The point being - people need to actually understand that these people aren't conservatives in any standard sense, they're collectivists and it's better to just call them, and fascists in general alt-communists. They're two sides of the same exact murderous coin. The moment people would realize that they're alt-commies is the moment they'd loose any illusion that they in any way stand for America or patriotism, they stand for their ideology and they're fishing through disgruntled white men for support in the same way that communists are grabbing of disaffected blacks and trying to roll them into BLM.


But conservatives have been using them as a means of obtaining political power and now it is biting them in the ass.

Communists? There are communists in our political system? Next there will be unicorns?


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16 Aug 2017, 12:23 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Yet only on one side did the violence result in killing a person. Of course if you have a group made up largely of white supremacists clashing with counter protestors it will be impossible to keep it 100% peaceful...but there is quite the difference between shouting, screaming chants, brawling and fist fights than plowing a vehicle into people, and carrying weapons, which if I am not mistaking some of the white supremacists who attended did.

It sounds like you're saying you haven't watched any of the videos - either at Charlottesville of Antifa, or much of anywhere else.


Well do you have any videos of the counter side to the white supremacists, plowing into a group of unarmed protestors? I mean if you have a link to anything like that I'd like to see it. Also I have seen videos, for instance there was a lovely one of white supremacists brandishing torches, giving the nazi salute and saying 'heil Trump'. I also saw the one with the protesters tearing down a confederate statue. But yes if you have videos to prove that the violence from the antifa escalated to car ramming or other deadly attacks do post a link.


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