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13 Jan 2018, 2:34 pm

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A racist, war-mongering idiot forgetting the lyrics to a song written by a racist war-mongering idiot. How very droll. Excuse while I laugh myself sick. :roll:


When I initially read this post, I was skeptical, so I did some quick research. As it turns out, "The Star-Spangled Banner" was written by Francis Scott Key during the War of 1812. Francis Scott Key was a slave owner who later fought against the abolition of slavery.

Surprisingly, you aren't wrong.

More of what Micheal Moore calls the awful truth...


I don't think most level headed Americans care all that much if a man owned slaves in the 18th and early 19th centuries. In that perspective he was neither awful or wonderful, it was just the times he lived in.

BTW: Fat ass Moore is nothing more than a liberal troll and need not be taken seriously.


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13 Jan 2018, 8:23 pm

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I don't think most level headed Americans care all that much if a man owned slaves in the 18th and early 19th centuries. In that perspective he was neither awful or wonderful, it was just the times he lived in..

Taking a while for the legacy to wash-off...Jim Crow is still in the memory of many living Americans not to mention "white living spaces" what's with that huh?
http://afro.com/americas-cherished-white-space/



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13 Jan 2018, 8:32 pm

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BTW: Fat ass Moore is nothing more than a liberal troll and need not be taken seriously.


I'm actually glad that you mentioned Michel Moore. I actually agree that Michael Moore is overly-reliant on emotional manipulation and pseudo-arguments.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_Moore

That being said, conservatives shouldn't be making fun of his weight, since Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones are fat too.


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13 Jan 2018, 9:01 pm

liberals have no right being fat

gluttony is the reserve of conservatives



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13 Jan 2018, 9:03 pm

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liberals have no right being fat

gluttony is the reserve of conservatives


Everyone has a right to be fat! Fat acceptance! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!


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13 Jan 2018, 9:05 pm

or maybe only conservatives have the right to call people fat-arses?
free speech eh!



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13 Jan 2018, 9:53 pm

cyberdad wrote:
liberals have no right being fat

gluttony is the reserve of conservatives


But... but... I'm a fat liberal.


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13 Jan 2018, 11:04 pm

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I don't think most level headed Americans care all that much if a man owned slaves in the 18th and early 19th centuries. In that perspective he was neither awful or wonderful, it was just the times he lived in..

Taking a while for the legacy to wash-off...Jim Crow is still in the memory of many living Americans not to mention "white living spaces" what's with that huh?
http://afro.com/americas-cherished-white-space/


Wasn't much of a subject until race baiting Obama and his rabble rousing disciples came on the scene. Even then it hast really taken as much as you wish it did.

White living spaces? That's a new one on me unless you mean something like this:

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13 Jan 2018, 11:12 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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BTW: Fat ass Moore is nothing more than a liberal troll and need not be taken seriously.


I'm actually glad that you mentioned Michel Moore. I actually agree that Michael Moore is overly-reliant on emotional manipulation and pseudo-arguments.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_Moore

Well, neither he or anyone else has much luck manipulating me.

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That being said, conservatives shouldn't be making fun of his weight, since Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones are fat too.

I've never been a fan of Limbaugh or Jones. Not that I disagree with them on what little I've heard them say, but that I don't require continuous encouragement or re-indoctrination of my long established beliefs. Most of what I've heard about them has come from fearful liberals freaking out and shrieking over just about anything either of them has to say.


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13 Jan 2018, 11:19 pm

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I don't think most level headed Americans care all that much if a man owned slaves in the 18th and early 19th centuries. In that perspective he was neither awful or wonderful, it was just the times he lived in.


I just remembered something that I originally forgot to mention. Francis Scott Key fought against the abolition of slavery. In other words, he continued to own slaves when slavery was becoming unpopular. Thus, the "product of his time" argument doesn't hold water in this instance. Key used his position as a U.S. Attorney to supress abolitionists.

Compare Key to Jefferson. Jefferson's slaves were freed upon his death. Addionally, Jefferson died before the abolitionist movement had really taken off.

The "product of his time" argument works for Jefferson. It does not work for Key.

Jefferson was ahead of his time. Key was a conservative who wanted to preserve the unfair slave system due to his dislike of change.


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13 Jan 2018, 11:30 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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I don't think most level headed Americans care all that much if a man owned slaves in the 18th and early 19th centuries. In that perspective he was neither awful or wonderful, it was just the times he lived in.


I just remembered something that I originally forgot to mention. Francis Scott Key fought against the abolition of slavery. In other words, he continued to own slaves when slavery was becoming unpopular. Thus, the "product of his time" argument doesn't hold water in this instance. Key used his position as a U.S. Attorney to supress abolitionists.

Compare Key to Jefferson. Jefferson's slaves were freed upon his death. Addionally, Jefferson died before the abolitionist movement had really taken off.

The "product of his time" argument works for Jefferson. It does not work for Key.

Jefferson was ahead of his time. Key was a conservative who wanted to preserve the unfair slave system due to his dislike of change.

So what? :shrug:
It has nothing to do with the present times.


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14 Jan 2018, 2:30 am

Raptor wrote:
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I don't think most level headed Americans care all that much if a man owned slaves in the 18th and early 19th centuries. In that perspective he was neither awful or wonderful, it was just the times he lived in..

Taking a while for the legacy to wash-off...Jim Crow is still in the memory of many living Americans not to mention "white living spaces" what's with that huh?
http://afro.com/americas-cherished-white-space/


Wasn't much of a subject until race baiting Obama and his rabble rousing disciples came on the scene. Even then it hast really taken as much as you wish it did.

White living spaces? That's a new one on me unless you mean something like this:

Image

Nice photo BTW

White spaces are living space where non-whites don't frequent