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29 Jan 2018, 3:30 am

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A friendly 2.5 m pet python named Tiny was playing with it's owner Dan Brandon of Church Crookham Fleet in Basingstoke UK before strangling him. The pet apparently became too overenthusiastic and strangled Mr Brandon who is now deceased.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/scien ... cd84c8bae7

Mr Brandon’s parents, brother and sister were in court, and Mrs Brandon told the coroner the snake loved her son, he never felt threatened by Tiny and was aware of how strong she was. Its the first case of a python killing a person in Britain

Mr Bradley’s mother still looks after the snakes and showed off a bite she has on her hands that another snake gave her ten days ago.


I think people have to understand that love is an evolutionary strategy. I think it's most likely to be found in species that are social or in which the parents have some part in raising their young.

Snakes have no part in raising their young outside of protecting their eggs, and while some snake species are social or practice monogamy, I would be surprised if pythons had the same capacity to love their owners as say a dog, cat, horse, or bird might.

Cannibalism is common among reptiles



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29 Jan 2018, 4:53 am

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A friendly 2.5 m pet python named Tiny was playing with it's owner Dan Brandon of Church Crookham Fleet in Basingstoke UK before strangling him. The pet apparently became too overenthusiastic and strangled Mr Brandon who is now deceased.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/scien ... cd84c8bae7

Mr Brandon’s parents, brother and sister were in court, and Mrs Brandon told the coroner the snake loved her son, he never felt threatened by Tiny and was aware of how strong she was. Its the first case of a python killing a person in Britain

Mr Bradley’s mother still looks after the snakes and showed off a bite she has on her hands that another snake gave her ten days ago.


I think people have to understand that love is an evolutionary strategy. I think it's most likely to be found in species that are social or in which the parents have some part in raising their young.

Snakes have no part in raising their young outside of protecting their eggs, and while some snake species are social or practice monogamy, I would be surprised if pythons had the same capacity to love their owners as say a dog, cat, horse, or bird might.

Cannibalism is common among reptiles


I prefer pets that can't easily kill me.



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29 Jan 2018, 5:11 am

I am not buying it, there would be a bite mark and bruises from strangulation. Its merely a case of the press after a story.



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29 Jan 2018, 8:43 am

I work very close to where this happened and 2 people here went to school with him and one said she saw him around the pubs and shops in the area quite regularly. She says a member of the dead guys family said the snake was in a state of shock when they found the scene, it's believed it was meant to be affection from the snake.



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29 Jan 2018, 10:44 am

cyberdad wrote:
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cyberdad wrote:
A friendly 2.5 m pet python named Tiny was playing with it's owner Dan Brandon of Church Crookham Fleet in Basingstoke UK before strangling him. The pet apparently became too overenthusiastic and strangled Mr Brandon who is now deceased.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/scien ... cd84c8bae7

Mr Brandon’s parents, brother and sister were in court, and Mrs Brandon told the coroner the snake loved her son, he never felt threatened by Tiny and was aware of how strong she was. Its the first case of a python killing a person in Britain

Mr Bradley’s mother still looks after the snakes and showed off a bite she has on her hands that another snake gave her ten days ago.


I think people have to understand that love is an evolutionary strategy. I think it's most likely to be found in species that are social or in which the parents have some part in raising their young.

Snakes have no part in raising their young outside of protecting their eggs, and while some snake species are social or practice monogamy, I would be surprised if pythons had the same capacity to love their owners as say a dog, cat, horse, or bird might.

Cannibalism is common among reptiles

It's also not unsual among mammals.Tom cats will eat kittens,male squirrels will eat kits,female rabbits will eat their young is stressed.
Some reptiles have amazing affection for their young,mother crocs and alligators guard their babies,there is a skink that carries its babies on its back.I had a rattlesnake in my yard that birthed young,they stayed coiled up with her for days afterwards.


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29 Jan 2018, 2:42 pm

Misslizard wrote:
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cyberdad wrote:
A friendly 2.5 m pet python named Tiny was playing with it's owner Dan Brandon of Church Crookham Fleet in Basingstoke UK before strangling him. The pet apparently became too overenthusiastic and strangled Mr Brandon who is now deceased.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/scien ... cd84c8bae7

Mr Brandon’s parents, brother and sister were in court, and Mrs Brandon told the coroner the snake loved her son, he never felt threatened by Tiny and was aware of how strong she was. Its the first case of a python killing a person in Britain

Mr Bradley’s mother still looks after the snakes and showed off a bite she has on her hands that another snake gave her ten days ago.


I think people have to understand that love is an evolutionary strategy. I think it's most likely to be found in species that are social or in which the parents have some part in raising their young.

Snakes have no part in raising their young outside of protecting their eggs, and while some snake species are social or practice monogamy, I would be surprised if pythons had the same capacity to love their owners as say a dog, cat, horse, or bird might.

Cannibalism is common among reptiles

It's also not unsual among mammals.Tom cats will eat kittens,male squirrels will eat kits,female rabbits will eat their young is stressed.
Some reptiles have amazing affection for their young,mother crocs and alligators guard their babies,there is a skink that carries its babies on its back.I had a rattlesnake in my yard that birthed young,they stayed coiled up with her for days afterwards.


I grew up with cats, and I recall one female I named Princess Leia that would eat her babies everytime she she had a litter.


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30 Jan 2018, 4:32 am

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Misslizard wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Chronos wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
A friendly 2.5 m pet python named Tiny was playing with it's owner Dan Brandon of Church Crookham Fleet in Basingstoke UK before strangling him. The pet apparently became too overenthusiastic and strangled Mr Brandon who is now deceased.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/scien ... cd84c8bae7

Mr Brandon’s parents, brother and sister were in court, and Mrs Brandon told the coroner the snake loved her son, he never felt threatened by Tiny and was aware of how strong she was. Its the first case of a python killing a person in Britain

Mr Bradley’s mother still looks after the snakes and showed off a bite she has on her hands that another snake gave her ten days ago.


I think people have to understand that love is an evolutionary strategy. I think it's most likely to be found in species that are social or in which the parents have some part in raising their young.

Snakes have no part in raising their young outside of protecting their eggs, and while some snake species are social or practice monogamy, I would be surprised if pythons had the same capacity to love their owners as say a dog, cat, horse, or bird might.

Cannibalism is common among reptiles

It's also not unsual among mammals.Tom cats will eat kittens,male squirrels will eat kits,female rabbits will eat their young is stressed.
Some reptiles have amazing affection for their young,mother crocs and alligators guard their babies,there is a skink that carries its babies on its back.I had a rattlesnake in my yard that birthed young,they stayed coiled up with her for days afterwards.


I grew up with cats, and I recall one female I named Princess Leia that would eat her babies everytime she she had a litter.


Many female mammals that have litters will, occasionally, eat their babies. Typically this is done when there is something wrong with the babies. I heard one researcher who worked with mice say that they couldn't figure out why there were no offspring of the litter in one of his germline mice that expressed the particular trait they were trying to get, until he realized she was eating those ones. My neighbors had a mouse that had a litter and one of them accidentally dropped one of the babies and caused it to have a small gash on it's head. It was a survivable injury but the mother started to eat it anyway. There wasn't much we could do to save it because it wasn't weened and there was no way to feed it formula, and another lactating mouse would have tried to eat it as well.

It could be Leia's kittens had something wrong with them, or her instinct to rid her litter of defective offspring was in overdrive, possibly due to a nutritional deficiency.



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30 Jan 2018, 4:45 am

In highschool we accidentally forgot to feed mice in our class "mouse house" during school holidays.
In one cage the female with new born pups ate the male mouse and was able to suckle the pups till we got back and fed her. Quite clearly this was higher order cannibalism as the babies would have been an easier meal



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30 Jan 2018, 5:45 am

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In highschool we accidentally forgot to feed mice in our class "mouse house" during school holidays.
In one cage the female with new born pups ate the male mouse and was able to suckle the pups till we got back and fed her. Quite clearly this was higher order cannibalism as the babies would have been an easier meal


Can't ever underestimate that maternal instinct.


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30 Jan 2018, 7:55 am

This thread is making me hungry.



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30 Jan 2018, 9:58 am

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This sounds really far-fetched to me. Many snake owners would laugh at this. But who knows, I wasn't there. But plenty of people, even myself had pythons wrapped around our necks and such a thing never happened. Also, being bitten isn't like the most terrible thing in the world. It happens/can happen to owners. You suck it up and deal with it because you're handling a predatory reptile and the owner should already know that being bitten is a possibility. Snakes are not some cuddly kind of animal. So it's not surprising to me to hear someone still handling snakes when though they were bitten.


This. Most people who are killed by pet snakes are almost always drunk or under the influence and then go and do something stupid and make the snake afraid.


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30 Jan 2018, 10:02 am

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The idea of bonding with such creatures may seem creepy, or even impossible, yet some people insist that their reptiles know them and enjoy being with them. Can reptiles feel or portray emotions?

Generally, reptiles do demonstrate basic emotions. According to Dr. Sharman Hoppes, clinical assistant professor at the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, the main two are fear and aggression, but they may also demonstrate pleasure when stroked or when offered food.
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/news/pet-talk/reptile-emotions


I recall a story about a guy who lived with a number of Monitor lizards (I know, spelling, wrong kind of monitor :oops: ) that eventually turned on him. He was later discovered after days of missed work, partially eaten by the reptiles.


I heard that story too. He was already dead when the monitors ate his face.


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30 Jan 2018, 9:08 pm

Drax : "Why did you break up the encounter with my pet python ?"

Bond : "I discovered he had a crush on me"

:lol:

Some animals might look cute but are dangerous : humboldt octopus (they've been known to attack divers , ripping off their oxygen tank and biting them , they attack like piranhas)

It's like an un-armed man in a knife fight.



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30 Jan 2018, 9:15 pm

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I am not buying it, there would be a bite mark and bruises from strangulation. Its merely a case of the press after a story.


Some kid was killed in IL back in the day....a 12 kilo (!) weight was not enough to keep it in the tank

(the snake strangled him to death...so yes , there would be marks after it)



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30 Jan 2018, 9:22 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Chronos wrote:
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A friendly 2.5 m pet python named Tiny was playing with it's owner Dan Brandon of Church Crookham Fleet in Basingstoke UK before strangling him. The pet apparently became too overenthusiastic and strangled Mr Brandon who is now deceased.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/scien ... cd84c8bae7

Mr Brandon’s parents, brother and sister were in court, and Mrs Brandon told the coroner the snake loved her son, he never felt threatened by Tiny and was aware of how strong she was. Its the first case of a python killing a person in Britain

Mr Bradley’s mother still looks after the snakes and showed off a bite she has on her hands that another snake gave her ten days ago.


I think people have to understand that love is an evolutionary strategy. I think it's most likely to be found in species that are social or in which the parents have some part in raising their young.

Snakes have no part in raising their young outside of protecting their eggs, and while some snake species are social or practice monogamy, I would be surprised if pythons had the same capacity to love their owners as say a dog, cat, horse, or bird might.

Cannibalism is common among reptiles


Actually many animals eat their off-spring if they have to , seagulls for instance.

Jake the Snake once did a promo where the snake was kinda strangling him....it was not scripted and it wasn't a big python at all but people forget that these animals are *pure* muscle 8O



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30 Jan 2018, 11:43 pm

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Actually many animals eat their off-spring if they have to , seagulls for instance.


Keep in mind snakes have very a simple frontal cortex and much larger midbrain (so called reptilian brain) compared to higher animals so they are more survival focused and less emotion...