Why Severe Winter STILL Doesn’t Disprove Global Warming

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The Paris Agreement.

I think there are serious advantages for American business if America decarbonises, fwiw.

America is the most innovative country in the world. If you invest in green technology, then it will mean that you export it to less-innovative nations like India, Japan, Brazil, Nigeria, Canada, Australia, and the EEA, who will probably just make small adjustments while waiting for America to come up with some solution. If you don't, then China will invent all these technologies and you'll end up paying for them.

Decarbonisation could also add security and independence. Currently, the US imports millions of barrels of oil from the Persian Gulf and Africa. A lot of that goes to fund terrorism. Supplies could also be compromised by war or coups by anti-American groups. America is a land of tremendous resources and hugely varying conditions. You could put nuclear plants in coastal areas (including near lakes), solar panels across the south, geothermal plants in the south-west, and wind turbines in appropriate areas of the plains, and generate huge amounts of energy and jobs. You have more energy tied up in thorium and uranium than in coal and gas. And there's huge potential for hydrogen-related energy generation, which you could be world leaders in.

The best part is that I think this would disproportionately benefit states which are currently relatively poor. You could easily end up with Alabama and Mississippi providing the energy which keeps the lights on in DC.

So even if you're not convinced that Florida or Manhattan could flood, there are huge advantages for the US in pursuing that green crap. Energy independence, innovation, jobs, local economies, security, and export. Aren't those ideas that all Americans can get behind?

It is pseudo science.

They do it by putting big 'green' taxes on people's energy bills.

If politicians were serious about it and actually did stuff that helped the enviroment, no one could really be against it. One of the main policies of the Green party in the UK was to build more houses. We've been sending tons of 'recycling' to China to be buried in the ground and we have useless onshore windfarms built everywhere as well as houses being built on flood planes. It is a joke.

Huh?

You know, don't you, that we ARE in an ice age at this moment. An ice age that began approximately 2.6 million years ago. We are now in an interglacial warm period that has been going on for more than 12,000 years -- not all that much less than the length of the last interglacial warm period about 115,000 years ago that was warmer than this one.

We had a major cool period within this interglacial period known as the Younger Dryas where temperatures plummeted dramatically over a period that may have been as short as 10 or 15 years and stayed cold before warming back up about as abruptly more than a thousand years later.

More recently, we had a minor cooling period known as "The Little Ice Age" that began about 900 years ago and ended about 170 years ago. While not as abrupt or as cold as the Younger Dryas, this period was definitely a cooling period that caused major problems for humans. It is quite possible that this cooling period was responsible for the drought though to have driven the Anasazi people from their homes in the desert southwest. It definitely reduced crop yields through much of the planet. In some places, people found it necessary to grind tree bark to make a flour so that they could have something to eat.

So where do you get the idea that we won't see another cooling period for 5 million years? If that happens, then this ice age will end within a few thousand years and will have lasted only about 2.6 million years. Keep in mind that a typical ice age lasts anywhere from the tens of millions of years into several hundreds of millions of years. So please explain your claim that we will not have a cooling period for 5 million years.

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Hydrogen is not a very good store of energy. The only advantage it has is that it burns cleanly. I don't remember the numbers, but if you were to fill a tanker truck with hydrogen and the truck ran on hydrogen, it would take more hydrogen to haul the load a few hundred miles than the amount of hydrogen you were hauling. It is so inefficient that there would have to be hydrogen generation plants all over the country, possibly in or on the outskirts of every town and multiple ones in the cities. It is quite likely that every hydrogen service station would have to make their own hydrogen.

As far as being world leaders in hydrogen-related energy generation, we would not be able to export the hydrogen except maybe to those cities very close to the border and then only if we had the generation facilities close to the border on our side. I also have my doubts about whether we would be manufacturing the equipment.

Whether or not global warming is true and whether or not the solutions work are two separate questions. It's possible to argue for global warming being true without even touching on the solutons. If the solutions fail, that wouldn't disprove the existence of global warming.

The planet may cool down one day and potentially get us in a ice age, but right now the problem is global warming and this the problem we must face now.
Beside, if in the future we face a ice age, we have better chances to challenge such a problem if we keep our oil reserve, as a CO2 reserve, rather that all burning it.


And what elements show you it's pseudo science, beside that the potential solutions not fitting your political ideology?

Here's the science in a nutshell. The Gulf Stream brings warm air from the Caribbean, up the North American east coast, then across the Atlantic to Europe. That's why, for example, Holland where I live is a lot warmer than Arctic Canada, which is the same latitude. Thanks to the icecaps from the Arctic melting, the Gulf Stream is being pushed south. And that, everyone, is why those of us in Western Europe and the entire eastern part of the US are freezing our asses off more than normal this winter.

I know they are separate and i didn't say otherwise. The solutions are the most important thing because we are destroying the planet anyway.

To your other question, go and read my other posts so i do not have to keep repeating myself. We have had some snow here for the first time in a few years but nothing different from anything in the past. Wind direction is what does it. Here, if it's coming from the north it is freezing and if it comes from the south it will be around 10 degrees. Just blaming everything on "global warming/climate change" is getting beyond a joke. If it floods here they blame it on that and completely ignore the mass building on flood planes and not dredging much.

Oh ... look. People are losing their homes due to landslides caused by melting alpine permafrost.

Still "just a theory" eh?

If we face an ice age? We are in an ice age. Right now. This very moment. We've been in this ice age for approximately 2.6 million years. This is merely a warm period in the ice age and we are quite a ways into it. Global Warming is a minor blip. It would be great if it could extend this warm period, but it definitely isn't enough to end this ice age.

And when this warm period of this ice age ends and we enter another hundred thousand years of glaciation, people are going to be dying left and right. There is no way around that.

We survived the last glaciation so we can surely survive the next one.

Yeah, but how many? During any glaciation the carrying capacity of the Earth declines precipitously. Even with the relatively small cooling of "The Little Ice Age" resulted in making it far harder to feed the population of the Earth.

How do you know it's not just weather related. There's nothing new about landslides. I'd be interested in finding out if any similar landslides occurred fifty to a hundred years ago.

It's like people making a big deal out of how low the water level is in Lake Mead near Las Vegas, when a picture of it taken in 1955 shows it being just as low. Then 1983 it got so full they had to open the hoover dam spill gates to let it drain.

We're still in that warm period however, and it show no sign of receding. You don't heat your home during a summer heat wave even though winter will eventually come.


There is more than enough scientific proofs showing that the Earth is warming; if you the current poofs do not satisfy you, you will never be satisfied until the sea is covering most of coastal cities, and maybe not even then.