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09 Feb 2018, 4:29 am

many americans have a huge obliviousness spot, we are largely a provincial lot.

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09 Feb 2018, 11:09 am

EzraS wrote:

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EzraS wrote:

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Even though the United States has had military parades in the past, in this day and age it carries with it the implication of a totalitarian state in which the armed services are the personal play thing of the Great or Dear Leader.

That's the role the United States plays isn't it? Guardian and enforcer of the world.

As a country and government we've taken on the mantle of responsibility for taking care of things internationally - with mixed results. But the President is an elected office holder constrained by checks and balances, and thanks to term limits, once his term in office is done with, he is no longer in command. That's hardly a strongman dictator who makes use of his country and army as personal play things. Trump either doesn't understand this concept, or it appears he purposely wants to change it.

It's not like he's asking for a military parade to celebrate his birthday.

He doesn't have to. He'd still be showing the world that American military might is his to command.

It is, he's the commander in chief.

But I believe it's obvious that he was impressed with France's military parade and thought the US should have their own military parade on Independence day. End of story, sans mega melodrama.

That would be fine and dandy if it was just the French. But it's more so a practice in totalitarian states. Even plenty of Republicans are disturbed by this.

Yeah but he didn't come up with the idea until he watched the one in France. So why does France have one? Is it a totalitarian thing? Sometimes a parade is just a parade.

As one of German extraction, I could say something about the French, but I won't. :lol:

That didn't answer my question.

I think the French should reconsider certain things, including their military parades.

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09 Feb 2018, 8:40 pm

I think a military parade is a splendid idea, the more ostentatious the better...

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09 Feb 2018, 9:03 pm

I hated drill and ceremony [parades]. I was not the only one miffed at our rare free time eaten away wholesale by such foolishness.

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09 Feb 2018, 9:06 pm

Military parades showcase the local dry cleaners and button/boot polishers

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09 Feb 2018, 9:27 pm

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Even IF his intentions are pure and he wants to honour the military and America's global might and all that, stoke a little national patriotism blah blah.. I guarantee that Trump being who he is by reputation, the the international perception of this entire debacle will be that the entire thing is one giant ego stroke for Trumpkind - which is pretty terrible optics for the USA, it's leadership, military, citizens and the whole 9.

I think that says more about overly hyperbolic anti-trumpism, than trump himself. Virtually everything he does is a negitive one way or another from that perspective.

Because he is who he is and most of the world despises him.

It's not as if he's just a little rough around the edges with his personality. He says and does terrible things. People are completely justified in not respecting him.

You almost seem blind to his track record of everything as if there's no reason MOST of the world can't stand the guy.

Not blind, just practical.

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09 Feb 2018, 9:28 pm

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I think a military parade is a splendid idea, the more ostentatious the better...

My guess is up until the 60's, such a thing would have been welcomed.

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10 Feb 2018, 8:49 am

EzraS wrote:

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I think a military parade is a splendid idea, the more ostentatious the better...

My guess is up until the 60's, such a thing would have been welcomed.

Would be welcome anytime by real Americans.

I'm thinking something along the lines of the parades they had in the old USSR.

A vulgar display of military might.

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10 Feb 2018, 11:16 am

Raptor wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Raptor wrote:

I think a military parade is a splendid idea, the more ostentatious the better...

My guess is up until the 60's, such a thing would have been welcomed.

Would be welcome anytime by real Americans.

I'm thinking something along the lines of the parades they had in the old USSR.

A vulgar display of military might.

What about all the current & retired military men calling this a waste of money or third world BS?

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10 Feb 2018, 11:28 am

goldfish21 wrote:

Raptor wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Raptor wrote:

I think a military parade is a splendid idea, the more ostentatious the better...

My guess is up until the 60's, such a thing would have been welcomed.

Would be welcome anytime by real Americans.

I'm thinking something along the lines of the parades they had in the old USSR.

A vulgar display of military might.

What about all the current & retired military men calling this a waste of money or third world BS?

F*ck the treasonous bastards

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10 Feb 2018, 11:32 am

Raptor wrote:

goldfish21 wrote:

Raptor wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Raptor wrote:

I think a military parade is a splendid idea, the more ostentatious the better...

My guess is up until the 60's, such a thing would have been welcomed.

Would be welcome anytime by real Americans.

I'm thinking something along the lines of the parades they had in the old USSR.

A vulgar display of military might.

What about all the current & retired military men calling this a waste of money or third world BS?

F*ck the treasonous bastards

Really?

The Marine who killed Bin Laden is a treasonous bastard?

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/navy ... b3821badf1

Or perhaps you're completely out of touch of what a military parade, in the context of Trump's request, portrays..

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10 Feb 2018, 12:28 pm

goldfish21 wrote:

Raptor wrote:

goldfish21 wrote:

Raptor wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Raptor wrote:

I think a military parade is a splendid idea, the more ostentatious the better...

My guess is up until the 60's, such a thing would have been welcomed.

Would be welcome anytime by real Americans.

I'm thinking something along the lines of the parades they had in the old USSR.

A vulgar display of military might.

What about all the current & retired military men calling this a waste of money or third world BS?

F*ck the treasonous bastards

Really?

The Marine who killed Bin Laden is a treasonous bastard?

So I killed a roach in my kitchen this morning. Does that make me infallible?

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Or perhaps you're completely out of touch of what a military parade, in the context of Trump's request, portrays..

F*ck what he wants, I'm talking about what I want.

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10 Feb 2018, 12:32 pm

Raptor wrote:

I think a military parade is a splendid idea, the more ostentatious the better...

Who will pay for it?

American taxpayers?

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10 Feb 2018, 12:38 pm

Raptor wrote:

Would be welcome anytime by real Americans.

What the Hell is a "real American"?

Let me guess. A "real American" is one who agrees with you on everything.

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I'm thinking something along the lines of the parades they had in the old USSR.

A vulgar display of military might.

This is the most perfect example of horseshoe theory that I have ever seen.

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10 Feb 2018, 12:41 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

Raptor wrote:

I think a military parade is a splendid idea, the more ostentatious the better...

Who will pay for it?

American taxpayers?

We'll redirect funds from social programs so the money won't be squandered.
But yes, ultimately it's taxpayer money.

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10 Feb 2018, 12:50 pm

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So I killed a roach in my kitchen this morning. Does that make me infallible?

What makes a person a "roach"?

Earlier today, you advocated killing the entire population of California.
A little more than a month ago, you basically said that American's support of Suharto during the East Timor Genocide was no big deal. You also implied that America's support of Augusto Pinochet was no big deal.

In other words, you have defended people who are responsible for more deaths than Osama Bin Laden.

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F*ck what he wants, I'm talking about what I want.

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