29 Mar 2018, 6:25 pm
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EzraS wrote:
Bush lost the popular vote the first time but won it and the electoral college when he got reelected. Considering that California has 18,055,783 registered voters, that one state alone could swing a popular vote, especially when it's 46.1% vs 48.2% which is only a 2.1% difference. Is it fair that one state alone could swing an election? Looks to me from this map, most of the states chose Trump
...Okay, Ezra, I'm going to rather strongly disagree with you, maybe in chunks/seperate posts.
First, GF summed it up rather nicely in his first sentence. Do you believe in " One person, one vote " or not? As it is, the Electoral College system gives voters in very sparsely populated Montana, Wyoming, and Alaska - all of which tend Republican/" red " at this time - a far larger individual share of the Presidential vote than anyone in California OR Texas has!
I don't understand what you're trying to say about Texas. IIRC, Texas is #2 in voting population to California, and is about as reliably Republican, at present,
as CA is Dem. Before I saw that you had brought TX up, I was going to ask whether you objected to Dem-tending CA - as some people do - but find Rep-leaning TX to be okay.
...Nobody brought up Bush 2000 here, but, indeed, he did win with a popular vote but electoral win That's what legally elects the President, so I won't question that.
I do remember that, early in Bush's presidency, pro-Bush people would put up diagrams if the 2000 results by state -
which IIRC were quite similar to the 2016 results but not exactly the same - with captions like " Any Questions? " to try and monopolize/bully into winning the argument, as if votes were assigned by acres if land, not people. Wyoming has far less EC votes than far smaller Maryland because MARYLAND HAS MORE PEOPLE. Do, again, you believe in " one person, one vote " or not?
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...Political parties, and the bent of regions, can change over the years. Within the lifetimes of people on this board, the old Confederacy states were known as the " Solid South " for the Democrats, while the upper New England states were known as " rock-ribbed Republican ". California tended Republican into the late Twentieth...theb Pete Wilson's Proposition 187 alienated practically all the Hispanic voters, and the CA Reps in general became self-destructively purist.
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29 Mar 2018, 7:20 pm
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It's fact that major coastal regions in the USA have higher educated populations than the central flyover states. California isn't the only one. New York is another example. It's fact that California sets the tone for environmental emissions regulations in the USA & in turn for Canada/others, as they have the strictest rules and thus to be compliant in California means they can sell elsewhere with ease. It's my opinion that the West Coast mentality of long term sustainability is a better way to make decisions.
Sure, got people, get votes. Go Texas! That's the way democracy works. Votes = power. That's why Trump & Co. are actively trying to suppress the votes of people that don't like them. But votes should = power and control. It's the same age old stuff. "He who holds the gold makes the rules," wherein this case it isn't necessarily monetary wealth but the wealth of quantity of voters. The strong rule over the weak. If your state is weak due to low population numbers, encourage people to move there, encourage locals to increase the birth rate etc. The same holds true for entire countries, Canada included.
Sure, got people, get votes. Go Texas! That's the way democracy works. Votes = power. That's why Trump & Co. are actively trying to suppress the votes of people that don't like them. But votes should = power and control. It's the same age old stuff. "He who holds the gold makes the rules," wherein this case it isn't necessarily monetary wealth but the wealth of quantity of voters. The strong rule over the weak. If your state is weak due to low population numbers, encourage people to move there, encourage locals to increase the birth rate etc. The same holds true for entire countries, Canada included.
I've been out to sea off the California coast. It has a thick brown haze. I always figured that's why they're so into emissions control.
So then why aren't you in favor of Trump making the rich richer, if you're in favor of he who holds the gold makes the rules and the strong/rich ruling over the weak/poor? That was like the most capitalist statement I ever read.
Because Trump & Co. are s**t rulers & deserve to be overthrown by the people, whether by votes or physical force. If they were any good at their jobs "#RESIST" wouldn't exist and things would be fine just as they are for others who work for wealthy people at the corporations that sign their paycheques. But these people have proven to be ineffective leaders and rulers, only it for themselves, and thus their reign should be deservingly short lived when they're voted out/taken out back and beaten or w/e end they meet. Rich, powerful, leaders who are appreciated & respected deserve to keep their thrown & status for making decisions that benefit their citizens. Idiots like Trump deserve to be challenged in a fight to the death by anyone better fit to govern.
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EzraS wrote:
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I also think Trump wants to do a good job, guess I must be senile as well. Of course there's a difference between wants and actually does. But I'd rather try to have a positive outlook than constantly having my panties in a knot.
Oh, he wants to do a good job, alright.. for him, his family, and his wealthy friends. He clearly has no interest in doing things to benefit the American people or he'd quit pushing an agenda that directly harms them - like throwing Millions off of health insurance that was mediocre at best to begin with, or implementing tax policy that serves to funnel wealth up from the bottom to the top 1%, or deregulating banks so they can run amuck again to the nth degree and so on and so on. I thought you were a man of evidence, EzraS?
He certainly doesn't give a damn about disabled or financially struggling people...he just wants to cut any program that helps them. Also he wants to give up our public lands, wildlife reserves, state parks/national parks to the highest bidder so they can destroy and ravage the land for coal and oil, when renewable energy is viable and becoming more and more advanced.
So yeah kind of hard to see how it is he wants to 'do a good job' for the american people.
It seems to me when it comes to complaints about Trump, they're always highly over exaggerated. He reduces the size of a couple of areas, one of which had only been a national monument for a year, and that becomes him selling every state and national park to be ravaged for coal and oil.
The good job he wants to do, or says he wants to do, are things like creating more jobs and improving the economy.
He attempted to open up the entire coast of California to drilling rigs & the entire population of California collectively told him to f**k off. He couldn't care less about working class jobs for working class people nor their incomes or health, only for the increased wealth of his wealthy friends and their shareholders. The proof is in his actions.
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29 Mar 2018, 7:40 pm
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
It's fact that major coastal regions in the USA have higher educated populations than the central flyover states. California isn't the only one. New York is another example. It's fact that California sets the tone for environmental emissions regulations in the USA & in turn for Canada/others, as they have the strictest rules and thus to be compliant in California means they can sell elsewhere with ease. It's my opinion that the West Coast mentality of long term sustainability is a better way to make decisions.
Sure, got people, get votes. Go Texas! That's the way democracy works. Votes = power. That's why Trump & Co. are actively trying to suppress the votes of people that don't like them. But votes should = power and control. It's the same age old stuff. "He who holds the gold makes the rules," wherein this case it isn't necessarily monetary wealth but the wealth of quantity of voters. The strong rule over the weak. If your state is weak due to low population numbers, encourage people to move there, encourage locals to increase the birth rate etc. The same holds true for entire countries, Canada included.
Sure, got people, get votes. Go Texas! That's the way democracy works. Votes = power. That's why Trump & Co. are actively trying to suppress the votes of people that don't like them. But votes should = power and control. It's the same age old stuff. "He who holds the gold makes the rules," wherein this case it isn't necessarily monetary wealth but the wealth of quantity of voters. The strong rule over the weak. If your state is weak due to low population numbers, encourage people to move there, encourage locals to increase the birth rate etc. The same holds true for entire countries, Canada included.
I've been out to sea off the California coast. It has a thick brown haze. I always figured that's why they're so into emissions control.
So then why aren't you in favor of Trump making the rich richer, if you're in favor of he who holds the gold makes the rules and the strong/rich ruling over the weak/poor? That was like the most capitalist statement I ever read.
Because Trump & Co. are s**t rulers & deserve to be overthrown by the people, whether by votes or physical force. If they were any good at their jobs "#RESIST" wouldn't exist and things would be fine just as they are for others who work for wealthy people at the corporations that sign their paycheques. But these people have proven to be ineffective leaders and rulers, only it for themselves, and thus their reign should be deservingly short lived when they're voted out/taken out back and beaten or w/e end they meet. Rich, powerful, leaders who are appreciated & respected deserve to keep their thrown & status for making decisions that benefit their citizens. Idiots like Trump deserve to be challenged in a fight to the death by anyone better fit to govern.
#resist and #notmypresident seems more like hysteria to me. Mainly because it existed full force before he was even president.
What's the nation's current overall situation regarding jobs and that economy? Personally I know a couple of working class people who got raises and paid less tax going into this year.
I'm not an economist specializing in US federal employment data and thus don't have the answer. Google it.
As is by design of the new tax legislation. Don't be so short sighted. The new tax code is intended to give small breaks for the first few years, but several years in and those cuts are gone and the majority of working class Americans will be paying more taxes, not less. The reason for a short term cut is because they're hoping that with a few extra dollars in their accounts now, enough people will be stupid enough to re-elect Trump.
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