Russia’s sinister social media campaign against the U.S.

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22 Dec 2018, 5:14 am

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All of Europe is making zillions of daily social media posts having to do with US elections and politics... and then there's Russia. Russia BAD.


But are the other European governments directing this effort in order to hurt America? That's the difference between them and Russia.


There are millions of people in Europe, Canada, Australia etc weighing in on American politics throughout social media who don't work for the government. Likewise there are plenty of people in Russia doing the same who don't work for the government. I've seen many highly emotionally charged claims that Russia is out to hurt the United States, but I have not seen any evidence of it occurring post cold war.


There's more than enough evidence of Putin putting his intelligence skills to work with his bot farms in order to alter the political landscape in not just America, but also in Ukraine and western Europe.


Where?


Robert Mueller has a ton of that sh*t compiled. And yes, it will come out.


That doesn't sound a whole lot better, to me, than Trump assuring us that an "extremely credible source" has told him that Obama's birth certificate is a fake. Both are equally absurd and equally without evidence,onsider this: maybe you like Trump, maybe you don't (I certainly don't, and would have voted for the Green Party, which also is allegedly controlled by the Russians - LOL), but the more sinister aspect to this is that, when a small clique, which obviously has its own alterior motives (Mueller, for example, obviously dislikes Trump, and so do all the others shouting about Russian interference - wonder why?), can produce such a powerful indictment of a political figure on the basis of literally NO evidence - or, even if we're blindly trusting and accept your claim, then at least no publicly released evidence - this means that those with control of the information supply have, more than ever before, the power to control our democracy. This, I think, is the most terrible part of all.

Don't go believing the lies you hear in the media just because they're favourable, in the short run, to your political position; in the end, lies will harm us all. After all, there are so many rational, truthful reasons to reject Trump (he's a racist, a sexist, is disdainful of the masses, is uneducated, is borderline illiterate, is in the pay of rapacious corporations), why does one need lies?



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22 Dec 2018, 5:38 am

Prometheus18 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Prometheus18 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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All of Europe is making zillions of daily social media posts having to do with US elections and politics... and then there's Russia. Russia BAD.


But are the other European governments directing this effort in order to hurt America? That's the difference between them and Russia.


There are millions of people in Europe, Canada, Australia etc weighing in on American politics throughout social media who don't work for the government. Likewise there are plenty of people in Russia doing the same who don't work for the government. I've seen many highly emotionally charged claims that Russia is out to hurt the United States, but I have not seen any evidence of it occurring post cold war.


There's more than enough evidence of Putin putting his intelligence skills to work with his bot farms in order to alter the political landscape in not just America, but also in Ukraine and western Europe.


Where?


Robert Mueller has a ton of that sh*t compiled. And yes, it will come out.


That doesn't sound a whole lot better, to me, than Trump assuring us that an "extremely credible source" has told him that Obama's birth certificate is a fake. Both are equally absurd and equally without evidence,onsider this: maybe you like Trump, maybe you don't (I certainly don't, and would have voted for the Green Party, which also is allegedly controlled by the Russians - LOL), but the more sinister aspect to this is that, when a small clique, which obviously has its own alterior motives (Mueller, for example, obviously dislikes Trump, and so do all the others shouting about Russian interference - wonder why?), can produce such a powerful indictment of a political figure on the basis of literally NO evidence - or, even if we're blindly trusting and accept your claim, then at least no publicly released evidence - this means that those with control of the information supply have, more than ever before, the power to control our democracy. This, I think, is the most terrible part of all.

Don't go believing the lies you hear in the media just because they're favourable, in the short run, to your political position; in the end, lies will harm us all. After all, there are so many rational, truthful reasons to reject Trump (he's a racist, a sexist, is disdainful of the masses, is uneducated, is borderline illiterate, is in the pay of rapacious corporations), why does one need lies?


The fact that Mueller has compiled enough evidence on Trump says it's not lies.


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22 Dec 2018, 6:48 am

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Robert Mueller has a ton of that sh*t compiled. And yes, it will come out.


Or so you imagine.

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Yes he did, as he didn't want to leave his desired goal to chance.


Or so you imagine.

Kraichgauer wrote:
The fact that Mueller has compiled enough evidence on Trump says it's not lies.


Or so you imagine.



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22 Dec 2018, 6:59 am

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That doesn't sound a whole lot better, to me, than Trump assuring us that an "extremely credible source" has told him that Obama's birth certificate is a fake. Both are equally absurd and equally without evidence,onsider this: maybe you like Trump, maybe you don't (I certainly don't, and would have voted for the Green Party, which also is allegedly controlled by the Russians - LOL), but the more sinister aspect to this is that, when a small clique, which obviously has its own alterior motives (Mueller, for example, obviously dislikes Trump, and so do all the others shouting about Russian interference - wonder why?), can produce such a powerful indictment of a political figure on the basis of literally NO evidence - or, even if we're blindly trusting and accept your claim, then at least no publicly released evidence - this means that those with control of the information supply have, more than ever before, the power to control our democracy. This, I think, is the most terrible part of all.

Don't go believing the lies you hear in the media just because they're favourable, in the short run, to your political position; in the end, lies will harm us all. After all, there are so many rational, truthful reasons to reject Trump (he's a racist, a sexist, is disdainful of the masses, is uneducated, is borderline illiterate, is in the pay of rapacious corporations), why does one need lies?


Hear Hear. Bravo.



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22 Dec 2018, 9:30 am

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Russia doesn't like it when the US "interferes" with their designs on the Ukraine and (more specifically) the Crimean Peninsula.

This could have been the motivation behind Russia's efforts to elect Trump. Obama used to really let Russia have it when it came to its expansionist ideas.


That's sheer tripe. The Uranium One deal was done under Obama. Russia didn't elect Trump. The US started it with Ukraine with the military coup of an elected government. Ukraine outlawed Russian in Russian speaking Crimea.


First, we had nothing to do with Ukraine, not a single troop, intelligence officer, etc. Yanukovych was forced out by popular protest on the ground. He was almost removed by the parliament but fell 3 votes shy of the 3/4 of all votes needed to remove him. Meaning, he was exceptionally unpopular in Ukraine itself: the citizens themselves did not want him. But, being a Russian toadie, the Russians did not like the people of the Ukraine voicing their opinion and thus occupied the eastern portion of the country. That's how it all played out, not a single event was instigated by the U.S. so you can peddle that BS someplace else.


The US had everything to do with Ukraine. You can deny the truth if you want.

You used neo Nazis to remove the elected government and are now trying to keep a US puppet in power with an 8% approval rating.

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk ... m-neo.html


https://www.channel4.com/news/ukraine-m ... c-protests


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22 Dec 2018, 9:46 am

What I don't understand about the annexation of Crimea is that NATO was only too happy to see Kosovo go to the Albanians in 2008, despite the fact that it was a part of sovereign, Serbian territory, presumably on the basis that the ethnic Albanian majority in Kosovo (probably rightly) wanted this; and yet it supports the enslavement of the ethnic Russian majority in parts of Crimea, despite the fact that they too want to join their motherland. It also supports the enslavement of the Catalonians by the Spanish, despite the former's referendum.

I agree that the Russians have been heavy handed in their response, but so was the Albanian response to the refusal of the Serbs to allow them to secede.

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That doesn't sound a whole lot better, to me, than Trump assuring us that an "extremely credible source" has told him that Obama's birth certificate is a fake. Both are equally absurd and equally without evidence,onsider this: maybe you like Trump, maybe you don't (I certainly don't, and would have voted for the Green Party, which also is allegedly controlled by the Russians - LOL), but the more sinister aspect to this is that, when a small clique, which obviously has its own alterior motives (Mueller, for example, obviously dislikes Trump, and so do all the others shouting about Russian interference - wonder why?), can produce such a powerful indictment of a political figure on the basis of literally NO evidence - or, even if we're blindly trusting and accept your claim, then at least no publicly released evidence - this means that those with control of the information supply have, more than ever before, the power to control our democracy. This, I think, is the most terrible part of all.

Don't go believing the lies you hear in the media just because they're favourable, in the short run, to your political position; in the end, lies will harm us all. After all, there are so many rational, truthful reasons to reject Trump (he's a racist, a sexist, is disdainful of the masses, is uneducated, is borderline illiterate, is in the pay of rapacious corporations), why does one need lies?


Hear Hear. Bravo.


Thanks.



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22 Dec 2018, 5:51 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Robert Mueller has a ton of that sh*t compiled. And yes, it will come out.


Or so you imagine.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Yes he did, as he didn't want to leave his desired goal to chance.


Or so you imagine.

Kraichgauer wrote:
The fact that Mueller has compiled enough evidence on Trump says it's not lies.


Or so you imagine.


I don't have to imagine anything concerning this matter.


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22 Dec 2018, 5:53 pm

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What I don't understand about the annexation of Crimea is that NATO was only too happy to see Kosovo go to the Albanians in 2008, despite the fact that it was a part of sovereign, Serbian territory, presumably on the basis that the ethnic Albanian majority in Kosovo (probably rightly) wanted this; and yet it supports the enslavement of the ethnic Russian majority in parts of Crimea, despite the fact that they too want to join their motherland. It also supports the enslavement of the Catalonians by the Spanish, despite the former's referendum.

I agree that the Russians have been heavy handed in their response, but so was the Albanian response to the refusal of the Serbs to allow them to secede.

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Prometheus18 wrote:
That doesn't sound a whole lot better, to me, than Trump assuring us that an "extremely credible source" has told him that Obama's birth certificate is a fake. Both are equally absurd and equally without evidence,onsider this: maybe you like Trump, maybe you don't (I certainly don't, and would have voted for the Green Party, which also is allegedly controlled by the Russians - LOL), but the more sinister aspect to this is that, when a small clique, which obviously has its own alterior motives (Mueller, for example, obviously dislikes Trump, and so do all the others shouting about Russian interference - wonder why?), can produce such a powerful indictment of a political figure on the basis of literally NO evidence - or, even if we're blindly trusting and accept your claim, then at least no publicly released evidence - this means that those with control of the information supply have, more than ever before, the power to control our democracy. This, I think, is the most terrible part of all.

Don't go believing the lies you hear in the media just because they're favourable, in the short run, to your political position; in the end, lies will harm us all. After all, there are so many rational, truthful reasons to reject Trump (he's a racist, a sexist, is disdainful of the masses, is uneducated, is borderline illiterate, is in the pay of rapacious corporations), why does one need lies?


Hear Hear. Bravo.


Thanks.


Enslavement? Since when in any of the cases you sited was anyone forced into involuntary labor without a pay check?


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22 Dec 2018, 6:55 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Robert Mueller has a ton of that sh*t compiled. And yes, it will come out.


Or so you imagine.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Yes he did, as he didn't want to leave his desired goal to chance.


Or so you imagine.

Kraichgauer wrote:
The fact that Mueller has compiled enough evidence on Trump says it's not lies.


Or so you imagine.


I don't have to imagine anything concerning this matter.


But it's all speculation regarding things that haven't happened or haven't been established.



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22 Dec 2018, 8:49 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Robert Mueller has a ton of that sh*t compiled. And yes, it will come out.


Or so you imagine.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Yes he did, as he didn't want to leave his desired goal to chance.


Or so you imagine.

Kraichgauer wrote:
The fact that Mueller has compiled enough evidence on Trump says it's not lies.


Or so you imagine.


I don't have to imagine anything concerning this matter.


But it's all speculation regarding things that haven't happened or haven't been established.


Mueller wouldn't be worth his salt as a prosecutor if he didn't have something to back up his grand strategy.


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23 Dec 2018, 12:50 am

Mueller is a crook who is just a rat.


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23 Dec 2018, 1:31 am

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Mueller is a crook who is just a rat.


A rat? I dare say you've been listening to Trump too much.


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23 Dec 2018, 2:02 am

The issue is the lame-stream media's incessant coverage of an investigation that hasn't reached a conclusion based on anonymous tipsters who may or many not know what they are talking about. The coverage on both sides is politically charged and determined to push a conclusion before it has happened.


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The issue is the lame-stream media's incessant coverage of an investigation that hasn't reached a conclusion based on anonymous tipsters who may or many not know what they are talking about. The coverage on both sides is politically charged and determined to push a conclusion before it has happened.


Actually, the investigation has gained a number of convictions and indictments of former Trump henchmen more than willing to now roll over on their old boss.


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23 Dec 2018, 2:33 am

^Mostly on unrelated grounds to what the investigation was supposed to find, I await the actual collusion verdict.


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27 Dec 2018, 8:56 am

Liberal Silicon Valley billionaire Reid Hoffman issued an apology on Wednesday for funding a group that falsely tried to give an impression the Russian government was supporting Alabama Republican Roy Moore in last year’s Senate election against now-Sen. Doug Jones.

Hoffman, the co-founder of LinkedIn, is one of Silicon Valley’s top donors to the Democratic campaigns and PACs. In the last election cycle he donated $7 million to Democratic groups, though his money also pours into non-traditional groups that aren’t mandated to report their funding and often operate in the shadows.

One such groups is American Engagement Technologies (AET), a firm run by former Obama appointee Mikey Dickerson, which received $750,000 from Hoffman and was part of the effort to falsely portray the Republican’s senate bid as being supported by the Kremlin.

“I find the tactics that have been recently reported highly disturbing. For that reason, I am embarrassed by my failure to track AET – the organization I did support – more diligently as it made its own decisions to perhaps fund projects that I would reject,” he said in a statement provided to the Washington Post.

“I want to be unequivocal: there is absolutely no place in our democracy for manipulating facts or using falsehoods to gain political advantage,” he added.

Hoffman said AET went on to facilitate a secret project with a budget of $100,000. One participant in the project was Jonathon Morgan, the chief executive of New Knowledge, a firm that wrote a report – released by the Senate Intelligence Committee earlier this month – about Russia’s social media operations in the 2016 election and its efforts to hurt Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump.

In a statement on Twitter, Morgan denied the project was aimed at influencing the election, which the Democrat won by 22,000 votes. "I did not participate in any campaign to influence the public," he wrote, saying the project goals weren't about supporting the Jones campaign.

Democratic operatives then created thousands of fake Russian accounts on Twitter and began following Moore, prompting attention from local and national media that falsely suggested Russia is backing Moore’s candidacy.

The project also involved creating a Facebook page and imitated conservative Alabamians who weren’t satisfied with the Republican candidate while encouraging others to write in another candidate.

The disinformation campaign was first revealed by the New York Times that obtained an internal report detailing the efforts.

“We orchestrated an elaborate ‘false flag’ operation that planted the idea that the Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet,” the internal report said.

Source: Liberal billionaire apologizes for funding 'false flag' effort to link Kremlin to Republican in Alabama Senate race


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