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Quebec farmers now employ Mexicans seasonal workers because they can't find peoples locally willing to work in the fields; it used to be the kids in farms and towns, but they don't want such work anymore.

Interestingly I learned somewhere that in the US there used to be Mexican seasonal workers too, but conservatives politicians decided that they had to be harder on the frontier, meaning that those workers could only, from a practical purpose, immigrate to continue supporting their families.


Is that your real view? The world under the "sovereignty" of arrogant kings?
Peoples didn't had notion such as "nations" before the enlightenment, and under the rule of kings borders were not linked to notions of "cultures", except in some case the religious views of the king.

Evidence, please? Your scaremongering comments are irrelevant without real data to back them up.You would bring back a level of religious persecution the likes of which have not been seen since the Jesuits and the Inquisition tortured confessions of witchcraft from women and apostasy from Protestants, and conversions to Roman Catholicism from Jews, Moslems, and Protestants, and then executed them by hanging, dismembering, drowning, beheading, disembowelment, and other hideous and gruesome forms as dictated by their "divine" rulers.

You would confine science to the reinforcement of doctrine, and persecute anyone who would dare say that the Earth orbited the Sun (and not the other way around), that apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor (and were not created by an unseen intelligence), that diseases are caused by germs and viruses (and not demons), and that the universe spontaneously came into being 13.8 billion years ago (instead of being created by an unseen intelligence on October 27, 4004 B.C.).

You would do away with antibiotics and anesthesia. You would do away with the rights to free speech, free press, free assembly, due legal process, and the bearing of arms. You would do away with the right to remain silent, to not incriminate one's self, and to have an attorney present during questioning. You would have it so that the government could force you to provide housing, meals, and clothing to the military at your own expense.

You would restore Prima Nocta -- the right of the king to be the first to have sex with your wife on your wedding night, and to force her to bear his child for you to raise at your expense. You would deny every citizen their right to vote -- except those who owned huge tracts of land and swore fealty to the king.

All this because you want to restore the "divine" right of kings as it existed before the Enlightenment before the year 1750 C.E.

I strongly suggest that you research the "Dark Ages" before you insist on their restoration.

One spelling error corrected; but an otherwise perfect post. Thank you for articulating that juuuuust right, Fnord!

I also agree with Fnord’s posting. I have had to deal with that type of thinking from those in my rural hometown. They wandered why I would want to leave their “paradise” when the situation allowed me to. Pretty simple choice to make if you are one of the persecuted by their ideals. Scientific facts just are too much for them to handle, they would rather have incorrect propaganda that supports their ideas. If you go back in time, they would have kicked Albert Einstein out if they could have as they saw him as an “illegal” with dangerous ideas.

Every time I visit that rural area, someone goes off on immigrants (both legal and illegal) and want to kick them out for some reason or another. I just read them what is posted on the Statue of Liberty and ask them where their point of view fits into those American ideals. Many of those farmers would not be able to finish their harvests without the help of the people that they want to remove from this country. They are the same people stuck back in time that would like to remove the minimum wage laws if they could. I know this because some of my own relatives have expressed this point of view many times to me.

Did you get that from watching Braveheart?

No, I got that from my university history professor. The nobility of many countries had similar practices before the Enlightenment.

Oh I had read that Prima Nocta was pretty much a myth since it's not historically recorded.

Nope. Not a myth. This stuff actually happened.

There were some good kings, and there were some bad kings.

The "divine right of kings" was actually professed formally by King James I of England in his arguments with Parliament in the early 17th century.

I'm not seeing any connection between James I and Prima Nocta. Or any other king of the British Isles.

No king is going to document, in writing, his belief in Prima Nocta. That would have been pretty stupid.

Based upon my studies in history (one of my minors), you are correct. Not every king used it, but it was used nonetheless. Sometimes the nobility acted worse than their king in the treatment of their subjects.

This is some of the most ridiculous stuff I've ever read.

Science was funded by the Church and the State, including kings and princes. You have a clear (albeit) common misunderstanding of the Galileo situation. Galileo insulted the pope and tried to enforce his hypothesis at fact, rather than a simple hypothesis. The evidence available at the time did not favour heliocentrism. Many experts cited the apparent lack of stellar parallax as evidence against heliocentrism. I believe stellar parallax was not detectable until the 19th century. It was only with the development of mathematical models that heliocentrism was shown correct.

You have no way of knowing whether or not antibiotics would exist or not. Your other claims are just as dubious.

And it is highly debatable if Prima Nocta actually existed. It should also be noted that the good things associated with "Enlightenment" thinking were instituted by monarchs. Frederick the Great, for example.

However, the rejection of the divine origin of the state has led to nothing but nihilism and chaos. There is a reason all these revolutions failed and led to the death of millions.

I will pay no more attention to proven luddites.

Ad hominem.

So if there's no historical record made by anyone of it having taken place, how do you know that it did?

Yep. You just won that debate.