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27 Feb 2019, 8:08 am

Lets keep pretending that hundreds of miles of fence and thousands of armed border control agents didn't exist before 2017.



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27 Feb 2019, 9:30 am

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Lets keep pretending that hundreds of miles of fence and thousands of armed border control agents didn't exist before 2017.
Let's keep pretending that adding thousands of miles of fence and thousands of armed border-control agents will reduce America's crime rate to zero.



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27 Feb 2019, 9:37 am

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Lets keep pretending that hundreds of miles of fence and thousands of armed border control agents didn't exist before 2017.
Let's keep pretending that adding thousands of miles of fence and thousands of armed border-control agents will reduce America's crime rate to zero.


Or we could pretend it will do what the fencing and border agents were put in place to do before 2017.



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27 Feb 2019, 9:40 am

EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
Lets keep pretending that hundreds of miles of fence and thousands of armed border control agents didn't exist before 2017.
Let's keep pretending that adding thousands of miles of fence and thousands of armed border-control agents will reduce America's crime rate to zero.
Or we could pretend it will do what the fencing and border agents were put in place to do before 2017.
Or we could let Donny-boy have his precious border wall and laugh when it falls down.



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27 Feb 2019, 9:46 am

Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Lets keep pretending that hundreds of miles of fence and thousands of armed border control agents didn't exist before 2017.
Let's keep pretending that adding thousands of miles of fence and thousands of armed border-control agents will reduce America's crime rate to zero.
Or we could pretend it will do what the fencing and border agents were put in place to do before 2017.
Or we could let Donny-boy have his precious border wall and laugh when it falls down.


Didn't the wall become a fence?

Like I've said I was never in favor of a wall. But I think it's silly to pretend there wasn't already all that fence and border patrol. And that trying hard to keep people out didn't exist before trump.



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27 Feb 2019, 12:08 pm

EzraS wrote:
Fnord wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Fnord wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Lets keep pretending that hundreds of miles of fence and thousands of armed border control agents didn't exist before 2017.
Let's keep pretending that adding thousands of miles of fence and thousands of armed border-control agents will reduce America's crime rate to zero.
Or we could pretend it will do what the fencing and border agents were put in place to do before 2017.
Or we could let Donny-boy have his precious border wall and laugh when it falls down.


Didn't the wall become a fence?

Like I've said I was never in favor of a wall. But I think it's silly to pretend there wasn't already all that fence and border patrol. And that trying hard to keep brown people out didn't exist before trump.


Fixed it for you.


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27 Feb 2019, 12:27 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Fnord wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Fnord wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Lets keep pretending that hundreds of miles of fence and thousands of armed border control agents didn't exist before 2017.
Let's keep pretending that adding thousands of miles of fence and thousands of armed border-control agents will reduce America's crime rate to zero.
Or we could pretend it will do what the fencing and border agents were put in place to do before 2017.
Or we could let Donny-boy have his precious border wall and laugh when it falls down.


Didn't the wall become a fence?

Like I've said I was never in favor of a wall. But I think it's silly to pretend there wasn't already all that fence and border patrol. And that trying hard to keep brown people out didn't exist before trump.


Fixed it for you.


So you're saying the Obama administration was trying hard to keep brown people out.



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27 Feb 2019, 1:08 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Lets keep pretending that hundreds of miles of fence and thousands of armed border control agents didn't exist before 2017.
Let's keep pretending that adding thousands of miles of fence and thousands of armed border-control agents will reduce America's crime rate to zero.



Lets keep pretending that people are saying a fence or wall will completely stop border crossings while they are actually saying it will reduce border crossing. Since when does doing absolutely nothing help reduce a problem? A reduction is beneficial, lets stop pretending it isn't. I'm 100% for the wall.



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27 Feb 2019, 1:12 pm

I still wonder whatever happened to Trumps claim 'Mexico will pay for it?' when did it become 'you american citizens will pay for the wall and I'll use all the countries emergency funds for things like natural disasters and terrorist attacks to also pay for it.


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27 Feb 2019, 1:15 pm

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I still wonder whatever happened to Trumps claim 'Mexico will pay for it?' when did it become 'you american citizens will pay for the wall and I'll use all the countries emergency funds for things like natural disasters and terrorist attacks to also pay for it.


8% for border security, 8% of one year's military funds will pay for the entire wall to reduce a problem.

Just think of it like this, you have $100 for the week, spending $8 dollars will greatly reduce the amount of people able to freely walk into your home for as long as that new locking system exists and functions, while you continue to live on through the many weeks to come, not having to spend that $8 dollars again for a long time.



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27 Feb 2019, 1:24 pm

Crimadella wrote:
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I still wonder whatever happened to Trumps claim 'Mexico will pay for it?' when did it become 'you american citizens will pay for the wall and I'll use all the countries emergency funds for things like natural disasters and terrorist attacks to also pay for it.


8% for border security, 8% of one year's military funds will pay for the entire wall to reduce a problem.

Just think of it like this, you have $100 for the week, spending $8 dollars will greatly reduce the amount of people able to freely walk into your home for as long as that new locking system exists and functions, while you continue to live on through the many weeks to come, not having to spend that $8 dollars again for a long time.


But Trump said Mexico would pay for it....what about that?

Also most illegal immigrants don't cross the border illegally and come through proper check-points, most have just overstayed their visas...how does the wall solve that?


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27 Feb 2019, 1:27 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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I still wonder whatever happened to Trumps claim 'Mexico will pay for it?' when did it become 'you american citizens will pay for the wall and I'll use all the countries emergency funds for things like natural disasters and terrorist attacks to also pay for it.


8% for border security, 8% of one year's military funds will pay for the entire wall to reduce a problem.

Just think of it like this, you have $100 for the week, spending $8 dollars will greatly reduce the amount of people able to freely walk into your home for as long as that new locking system exists and functions, while you continue to live on through the many weeks to come, not having to spend that $8 dollars again for a long time.


But Trump said Mexico would pay for it....what about that? I didn't ask about percentages I am curious what happened to Mexico paying for it.


I don't know what happened to it, Mexico didn't want to pay for it, to me that doesn't take away from the fact that we need it. It most certainly wasn't from a lack of trying to get mexico to pay for it. It's no real issue to mexico because people aren't fleeing to mexico from america.



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27 Feb 2019, 1:31 pm

Crimadella wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I still wonder whatever happened to Trumps claim 'Mexico will pay for it?' when did it become 'you american citizens will pay for the wall and I'll use all the countries emergency funds for things like natural disasters and terrorist attacks to also pay for it.


8% for border security, 8% of one year's military funds will pay for the entire wall to reduce a problem.

Just think of it like this, you have $100 for the week, spending $8 dollars will greatly reduce the amount of people able to freely walk into your home for as long as that new locking system exists and functions, while you continue to live on through the many weeks to come, not having to spend that $8 dollars again for a long time.


But Trump said Mexico would pay for it....what about that? I didn't ask about percentages I am curious what happened to Mexico paying for it.


I don't know what happened to it, Mexico didn't want to pay for it, to me that doesn't take away from the fact that we need it.


Why do we need something that will destroy tons of habitat in the Rio Grande and other areas along the border, when most illegal immigrants don't even illegally cross the border?

That said, so basically Trump supporters are ok with him lying to them?


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27 Feb 2019, 2:16 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I still wonder whatever happened to Trumps claim 'Mexico will pay for it?' when did it become 'you american citizens will pay for the wall and I'll use all the countries emergency funds for things like natural disasters and terrorist attacks to also pay for it.


8% for border security, 8% of one year's military funds will pay for the entire wall to reduce a problem.

Just think of it like this, you have $100 for the week, spending $8 dollars will greatly reduce the amount of people able to freely walk into your home for as long as that new locking system exists and functions, while you continue to live on through the many weeks to come, not having to spend that $8 dollars again for a long time.


But Trump said Mexico would pay for it....what about that? I didn't ask about percentages I am curious what happened to Mexico paying for it.


I don't know what happened to it, Mexico didn't want to pay for it, to me that doesn't take away from the fact that we need it.


Why do we need something that will destroy tons of habitat in the Rio Grande and other areas along the border, when most illegal immigrants don't even illegally cross the border?

That said, so basically Trump supporters are ok with him lying to them?



It isn't a lie when you try to do as you said yet fail because of lack of support. That is attempting do as you say yet failing, he is still trying to get the wall built regardless. That also insists that just because someone appreciates action being taken to build a wall, that everyone who agrees with it is a die hard Trump fan.

Also, Name one president who has never lied or has completed everything they promised when running for president.

It's not going to destroy a habitat, it's a fence/wall, and portions of it already exist. It's mostly a freaking desert.



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27 Feb 2019, 2:37 pm

Crimadella wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I still wonder whatever happened to Trumps claim 'Mexico will pay for it?' when did it become 'you american citizens will pay for the wall and I'll use all the countries emergency funds for things like natural disasters and terrorist attacks to also pay for it.


8% for border security, 8% of one year's military funds will pay for the entire wall to reduce a problem.

Just think of it like this, you have $100 for the week, spending $8 dollars will greatly reduce the amount of people able to freely walk into your home for as long as that new locking system exists and functions, while you continue to live on through the many weeks to come, not having to spend that $8 dollars again for a long time.


But Trump said Mexico would pay for it....what about that? I didn't ask about percentages I am curious what happened to Mexico paying for it.


I don't know what happened to it, Mexico didn't want to pay for it, to me that doesn't take away from the fact that we need it.


Why do we need something that will destroy tons of habitat in the Rio Grande and other areas along the border, when most illegal immigrants don't even illegally cross the border?

That said, so basically Trump supporters are ok with him lying to them?



It isn't a lie when you try to do as you said yet fail because of lack of support. That is attempting do as you say yet failing, he is still trying to get the wall built regardless. That also insists that just because someone appreciates action being taken to build a wall, that everyone who agrees with it is a die hard Trump fan.

Also, Name one president who has never lied or has completed everything they promised when running for president.

It's not going to destroy a habitat, it's a fence/wall, and portions of it already exist. It's mostly a freaking desert.


Um, the desert IS a habitat. Animals and insects and birds live there. Plants grow there. They have to be specially adapted to survive harsh conditions, but it's still a habitat that supports life.

From Wikipedia: "Terrestrial habitat types include forests, grasslands, wetlands and deserts."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat

Scientific American: Trump's Wall Could Cause Serious Environmental Damage

NBC News: Trump's Border Wall 'Catastrophic' for Environment, Endangered Species: Activists

NPR: The Environmental Consequences Of A Wall On The U.S.-Mexico Border

National Geographic: 6 ways the border wall could disrupt the environment



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27 Feb 2019, 2:47 pm

I understand all of that already. The habitat is not going to collapse due to a fence being put up, fences, homes, cities & highways are built all over the planet. To point directly to a border fence and insist it will ruin the habitat is simply another tactic to suggest we shouldn't have a wall at the border. With that line of thinking, humans shouldn't build anything.