MPs vote to reject no-deal Brexit

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I would love it if the Queen intervened and basically said 'you are a shambles, get out!'

Once some kind of decision has been made I think there will be a GE and many of the old guard will go

So are you disputing that the cost of living for average Brits won't go up following Brexit?
Here's the facts
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 78641.html

It's specifically the areas outside of London where older conservative Brits live which will be hardest hit. Precisely the people who voted to leave. These might be repulsive outcomes but they are not of my making John...

fully agree on that. I am not looking for a 2nd ref though. In a referendum which ended up 51.8/48.2 it was always going to have to be a pretty balanced deal that was struck. Once the Conservatives gave away their majority that became even more true. We were clearly never going to go No Deal in the same way that voting to remain didn't mean we join Shengen and take up the Euro.

For as frustrating (and entertaining) as the process has been this is UK Parliamentary Democracy. They are not doing a great job of it as the motions being put forward and amendments to them are not always helping things but slowly and gradually they are wiping out the options that are not acceptable. Personally I hope MV3 fails next week so that the Benn Amendment can be tabled again which ultimately leads us to a position of indicative votes over what the House would accept. I think that is probably the most productive way of finding out what would go through.

But with the threat of a lengthy A50 extension maybe MV3 will now pass, I think the numbers will certainly be closer anyway

There's talk here in reputable Australian news sources (such as the Australian broadcasting commission) that Theresa May will try her best to push through Brexit even if there is no deal.

I think the biggest fear for the conservative party is having to be forced back to a referendum and then experience humiliation and loss of confidence from voters.

As usual driven by self-interest and not the interests of the British people.

They aren't "facts" they are forecasts. Politically motivated forecasts. Even if they were correct, the hysteria before the referendum was just as bad and we still voted to leave. Because there are more things in the world important than money. Like self respect and independence. Democracy. And belief that short term pain if so could be long term gain. The majority of the working class voted to leave the EU as the EU is there to help big business and bankers. The second referendum which will lead to riots, and probably worse if the result is overturned is being funded and supported by billionaires and millionaires, Barons and Lords and mass murderers like Blair and his psychopath friend Campbell. Most people in the country want to leave without a deal. The establishment wants to force through ReMAYner's botched 'deal' which basically keeps us in the EU forever but a worse situation than we have now. It's just Orwellian tripe to suggest we shouldn't leave because the result had a 4% difference. It's just the liberal establishment does not accept change.

But was this a considered decision by the public? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure the vast majority who voted to leave the EU never had the level of sophisticated knowledge that you are trying to present here. They (the public) followed the simplistic model presented by the "Leave the EU" brigade (i.e. Farage and Boris Johnson) that Britain needed more self-determination from the EU and not be subject to economic (European goods sold in the UK) or social policy (migration) dictated from Brussels, I think that was largely the extent of the argument put forward to the British public. Voting for brexit was a knee jerk reaction.

The economic forecasts are based on facts (not guesswork). The conservatives who push for brexit will be largely be sheltered/insulated from the economic impact living in their palatial estates or swiss ski resorts while ordinary working class Brits (as usual) will carry the economic burden.

I listen to a lot of radio shows. Despite the mainstream media's attempts, a lot of people knew more than enough to vote to leave. It's the people who voted to stay that know nothing about the EU. If they did, most of them would have voted to leave the rancid institution.

It's politically motivated forecasts. They aren't facts.