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17 Jun 2019, 2:28 pm



You can find many videos with mainstream media talking about the subject and in cases sightings themselves with footage. This one is informative, about the book that was mentioned in the last one.



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18 Jun 2019, 8:55 pm

Just my theories: Anything (provided it's legitimately there) which makes sudden right angle turns and other impossible maneuvers may have a technology which isolates it from gravity. As to craft winking out of existence, the shortest distance between two points may be a straight line, but somebody may have figured out how to fold the paper creatively.



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18 Jun 2019, 9:39 pm

in the event that they are not merely a collective figment, i would not mess with such entities as they are likely as far above us [in every respect] as we are above amoeba. like mebbe MILLIONS of years more advanced. like so advanced that we still couldn't figure out how their stuff works even if given an instruction book written in english. like trying to explain calculus to an ant.



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18 Jun 2019, 10:06 pm

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There is a simple reason for why UFO sightings are likely not the work of aliens. Faster than light travel is just about impossible by all modern theories of physics. Without faster than life travel it would take hundreds to thousands of years to cross the celestial distance that is likely how far away alien life would be from us.


It may not be the insurmountable barrier you imagine if a species gains absolute control over its biology and becomes effectively immortal. What's a few thousand years spent visiting Earth in the course of a potentially endless lifespan?


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20 Jun 2019, 3:46 pm

Mikah wrote:
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There is a simple reason for why UFO sightings are likely not the work of aliens. Faster than light travel is just about impossible by all modern theories of physics. Without faster than life travel it would take hundreds to thousands of years to cross the celestial distance that is likely how far away alien life would be from us.


It may not be the insurmountable barrier you imagine if a species gains absolute control over its biology and becomes effectively immortal. What's a few thousand years spent visiting Earth in the course of a potentially endless lifespan?


I could write a very long post on the theories of interstellar travel, and its feasibility. It certainly is possible that an alien species has mastered interstellar travel either by circumventing the apparent light-speed barrier or by travelling at near light speed for years at a time. It's also possible that no alien species has done this.

No one knows the true odds of life evolving. Given the size of the universe it is likely that life has evolved elsewhere. No one knows the odds of what we would consider "intelligent life" evolving, given the size of the universe it is likely "intelligent life" has evolved elsewhere. No one knows the odds of "intelligent life" surviving to invent interstellar travel. It is possible that this has not occurred anywhere in the universe, but again going off the size of the universe I would bet on it happening.

However for said alien life to visit Earth it either must have developed close to Earth (the odds of this are very low) or evolved long enough ago to traverse the distance AND purposefully move in the direction of Earth. If said life did not develop in the Milky Way (by cosmological odds this may or may not be a good assumption) it is a 2.5 million year trip at the speed of light to reach the Milky Way from the Andromeda Galaxy. Even for an immortal this is an awfully long commitment.


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20 Jun 2019, 7:32 pm

the drake equation seems to say that there is a minimum of 100,000,000 other level-0 or above civilizations in this universe, but that works out to way less than one per galaxy. if this is indeed the case, i am guessing that the Ooofohs we see here and there, are more likely to be dimensional travelers.



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22 Jun 2019, 8:12 pm

Antrax wrote:
However for said alien life to visit Earth it either must have developed close to Earth (the odds of this are very low) or evolved long enough ago to traverse the distance AND purposefully move in the direction of Earth. If said life did not develop in the Milky Way (by cosmological odds this may or may not be a good assumption) it is a 2.5 million year trip at the speed of light to reach the Milky Way from the Andromeda Galaxy. Even for an immortal this is an awfully long commitment.


This assumes that they have not developed the capacity to download their conciousness into other dimensions or into non-biological forms (AI? cyborgs?). Grey aliens are supposed to be droids not the creators.

We keep using our own limited point of references based on our limited understanding of the nature of the universe/mulitverse? the level of dogma in modern science sometimes echoes the dogma of the middle ages that led to Galileo or Copernicus being strung up for saying the earth probably is not the centre of the universe.



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22 Jun 2019, 8:18 pm

My belief is that these UFOs are responsible for climate change which is a result of them terraforming the earth to be like their homeworld.



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22 Jun 2019, 8:33 pm

People often assume that humans are the smartest creatures and that if it's not possible within our understanding of physics than it's not possible at all. As the theoretical physicist even stated, it is possible for cretures to have physics we could not even grasp. I watched something recently about a man called Bob Lazar that claims he worked at area 51 at a specific place, hanger or something. He claimed that they had him and another person trying to figure out how the propulsion mechanism worked, he said a lot of very interesting things, sounded like he was telling the truth, he claimed he worked there in 89 and had two predictions based off of the little bit of info they had that managed to come true much later, and there is video of him discussing it before it was discovered. I can't type the whole thing out, look him up, he was on Joe Rogan experience just recently. Anyway, two things he mentioned back in 89 or so, element 115, though he said the fule was a stable isotope of 115, then the propulsion device produced anti-gravity waves, calming that gravity is a wave. This was discover to be true in 2015 or 2016. He said it was able to move the way they do by pushing gravity around it, something like an envolope of gravity, underneath them you can't see them because light travels around it. The documentary someone made about it really sucks, the conversation with Rogan was rather interesting.

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22 Jun 2019, 9:02 pm

I know Bob Lazar is responsible for the disclosure project and is active in the UFO community but his claims about Element 115 are stretching the bounds a little bit...

I prefer to examine the video evidence from the disclosure project rather than focus on Lazar's claims of working in Area 51



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22 Jun 2019, 9:05 pm

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I know Bob Lazar is responsible for the disclosure project and is active in the UFO community but his claims about Element 115 are stretching the bounds a little bit...

I prefer to examine the video evidence from the disclosure project rather than focus on Lazar's claims of working in Area 51


How are his claims about element 115 stretching it? He mentioned element 115 before it was discovered, I do believe that was what was said, like years before it was discovered. Also he claimed to use a little hand bone scanner to enter which at the time everyone acted as if they didn't exist, yet the guy that made the documentary actually found the exact machines that everyone claimed didn't exist. The video would be worth watching, the Joe Rogan interview, Im not exactly the best at relaying information, there were a lot of things said that did make sense and it really sound legit, like how the government would respond and everything. They tried to wipe his history out, his scool degrees, where he worked at some place with particle accelerators. While the company claims he never worked there they managed to find a newspaper article which mentioned the company and the fact that Bob worked there. Also he was listed in an old phone book as working there. There are pictures of him in his younger days building rockets to put on bikes and cars in his garage, many more things but I can't mention it all, my memory really sucks! I don't get into wild claims, this one sounded pretty reasonable though, that's why I don't like the documentary, too cheesy sounding, the guy with Bob is just too cheesy, you will see what I mean if you watch the rogan episode, every time that guy speaks, thankfully not much, he just sounds like a typical conspiracy nut.



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22 Jun 2019, 9:11 pm

Crimadella wrote:
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I know Bob Lazar is responsible for the disclosure project and is active in the UFO community but his claims about Element 115 are stretching the bounds a little bit...

I prefer to examine the video evidence from the disclosure project rather than focus on Lazar's claims of working in Area 51


How are his claims about element 115 stretching it? He mentioned element 115 before it was discovered, I do believe that was what was said, like years before it was discovered.

I'm not a chemist but my understanding is that most scientists know the periodic table is not comprehensive and that other minerals with a higher atomic numbers would turn up after 1989 (and they have). I think Lazar has some understanding of that and that may have influenced his story about alien propulsion fuel.



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22 Jun 2019, 9:19 pm

How would he know that gravity is waves rather than particles? There are many other things, like I said, I just suck at remembering things. I was certainly convinced he was being honest, you can tell by his body language and stuff. While I do believe these things are real, I don't really watch anything concerning UFO's other than news broadcasts because of the crazy people making wild claims non-stop. I like looking into claims where lots of people see the same time, often with radar picking it up also. Anyway, that's all I have to say about it, it would be worth checking out. I don't even know what the other thing you mentioned is.



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22 Jun 2019, 9:26 pm

I certainly think Bob Lazar is a man worth listening to so long as he sticks to presenting evidence.



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22 Jun 2019, 9:32 pm

How I see it is, if the US government had obtained UFO's, they most certainly would not tell us. They would wish to reverse engineer them so they would have an advantage over everyone else. The descriptions he gave matches the same descriptions of these people coming out lately within the government. Like the news broadcasts I posted. Evidence is going to be limited, as said, there is no way our government will ever admit if they had one.



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22 Jun 2019, 10:30 pm

from what i've read, until ike made that deal with the grays, we failed utterly at reverse-engineering the craft we got from cape girardeau and roswell, we literally couldn't grok how the damned things worked, there were no moving parts to disassemble.