United Methodist Church To Split Over Same-Sex Marriage

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05 Jan 2020, 12:58 am

I have checked my legal system, my belief system, and recent posts on Wrong Planet criticising Christianity, Judaism, Islam and the followers of any faith or religious culture as inane, irrational and bad. The mockery needs to stop. I'm tired of mudslinging from members who insult and mock others on the site and worldwide, yet consider themselves openminded and egalitarian.


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05 Jan 2020, 12:58 am

Haven't the Methodists already split into multiple sects? I know one sect oppose female clergy



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05 Jan 2020, 12:59 am

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There are thousands of synagogues and mosques in the US. Not to mention Canada and Europe etc. How many are in favor of same-sex marriage?


Who cares. If a mosque or synagogue or church (let's stick to the topic of churches shall we Ezzy) oppose one of their members being gay then that person can (and should) leave, If they do anything to coerce or punish that person for their sexuality then they should be closed down and the parents/rabbi/mullah or priest go to jail. Simple isn't it.


Who is being coerced and punished within the United Methodist church?

And stop calling me Ezzy. You're obviously doing it to disparage me.

They are split on the issue of whether considering whether gay people are humans...so it does include them...Ezra


When did the contemporary United Methodist church make the statement that gay people are not human?



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05 Jan 2020, 12:59 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I have checked my legal system, my belief system, and recent posts on Wrong Planet criticising Christianity, Judaism, Islam and the followers of any faith or religious culture as inane, irrational and bad. The mockery needs to stop. I'm tired of mudslinging from members who insult and mock others on the site and worldwide, yet consider themselves openminded and egalitarian.


Who is mocking religions?



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05 Jan 2020, 1:00 am

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I forgot to mention she was celibate

Which is what she tells people I guess. I spent 12 years in a catholic school and pretty sure celibacy would mean she is cured of her sin :lol: [quote]

It seems this argument disparages someone long distance by belittling their adherence to a religion which means very much to them. It seems a little below the usual Aspie high standard of rationality, and certainly falls below both charity and civility.

No one is questioning whether LGBT people are humans, and in this context that statement seems more of a "red herring." The Methodists could not decide whether to allow sodomy the same status as holy matrimony so that is that. Personally, though I doubt whether Protestants are Christians, I do not doubt for a moment their right to make rulings on what they will and will not allow, specifically when it is a matter which obviously is important to very many people.

As it is past midnight I'm signing off and because arguing uses up my resources too quickly I will not be responding to this thread. Try not dragging people through the mud, everybody.


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05 Jan 2020, 1:01 am

cyberdad wrote:
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I have checked my legal system, my belief system, and recent posts on Wrong Planet criticising Christianity, Judaism, Islam and the followers of any faith or religious culture as inane, irrational and bad. The mockery needs to stop. I'm tired of mudslinging from members who insult and mock others on the site and worldwide, yet consider themselves openminded and egalitarian.


Who is mocking religions?


Read this thread.


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05 Jan 2020, 1:02 am

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When did the contemporary United Methodist church make the statement that gay people are not human?


By saying a human being is either a male or female



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05 Jan 2020, 1:02 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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I have checked my legal system, my belief system, and recent posts on Wrong Planet criticising Christianity, Judaism, Islam and the followers of any faith or religious culture as inane, irrational and bad. The mockery needs to stop. I'm tired of mudslinging from members who insult and mock others on the site and worldwide, yet consider themselves openminded and egalitarian.


Who is mocking religions?


Read this thread.


I have...what's the problem



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05 Jan 2020, 1:03 am

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I'm unable to open the link.

I'm encouraged by seeing the thread title which says the church is "split", meaning that not all congregants are against same-sex marriage and that many strive for change, reformation and acceptance. I haven't seen anyone comment on the fact that many people of all faiths and denominations are in favour of sex-same marriage or other more liberal theology, and that's why this split of the Methodist church has occurred. My church (Anglican / Church of England) is extremely accepting of all people including LGBTQ as well as gay marriage, and several of the clergy are women. The stereotypes and slurs that are perpetuated about religion being sexist, patriarchal and oppressive are very hurtful to people who strive for change, accept differences, and foster a spirit of goodwill to all.


I would think a 13 million member denomination splitting would be cause for celebration rather than condemnation.

As a rule of thumb in a Christian church all should be welcome. But the Christian church saying homosexuality is alright is basically the same as it saying fornication and adultery are alright, as far as the tenets of the Christian faith goes. They basically need to write their own bible.


It always gets extremely tricky trying to figure out what books of the Bible (and which portions of those) that a person or religion decides that they want to follow.

I’m sure something similar could be said of other religious texts like the Quran.


Good point.



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05 Jan 2020, 1:04 am

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Personally, though I doubt whether Protestants are Christians


This statement is technically dragging half the christian world through the mud



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05 Jan 2020, 1:11 am

cyberdad wrote:
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When did the contemporary United Methodist church make the statement that gay people are not human?


By saying a human being is either a male or female


So they are on record as saying hermaphrodites are not human?



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05 Jan 2020, 1:11 am

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IsabellaLinton wrote:
I have checked my legal system, my belief system, and recent posts on Wrong Planet criticising Christianity, Judaism, Islam and the followers of any faith or religious culture as inane, irrational and bad. The mockery needs to stop. I'm tired of mudslinging from members who insult and mock others on the site and worldwide, yet consider themselves openminded and egalitarian.


Who is mocking religions?


Okay, one more post. I'm in a pleasantly terrible mood, as per usual.

You do quite a bit of it. It's easy to mock people who don't share your beliefs. Just like if I was to go in the transgender thread and open up about what I really think..."why do I have to say your play-pretend fantasy is real?" which naturally would be very hurtful, and not at all proper or decent. At that point it doesn't matter who's right or wrong. It's the fact that it comes to keyboard squabbling instead of actually seeing things from the others' point of view.

Someone who supports gun-control is not going to believe the sportsman who talks about how relaxing it can be to do some shooting. And an avid marksman is not going to credit the anti-gun activist who brings up his view of how no one really needs fifty shots in one gun.

I enjoy living a lifestyle that to most people looks like a re-enactment of the 1910s and '20s. To me, modern living is a confusing mess, and I can't see why people would even bother to own an Alexa or Google Home. Then again, to the up-to-date sort of person, my life is a confusing anachronism. We can't sit down and enjoy hearing about the benefits these ways bring if they are shouting me down as an air headed dreamer and I am insisting they are thoughtless wasteful prodigals out of touch with reality.

G.K. Chesterton wrote, "Never let a quarrel spoil a good argument." He was a contentious man, considered obsolete even in his own time, but he was close friends with Shaw, Wells, Kipling, and many others whom he ripped apart in his news articles. I say the most important thing to do regarding discussions is to go with the other person and see how they live. Take into account the incredible diversity of the human race, and realize that the last forty years are not the age of humane enlightenment they are cracked up to be. Forget enlightenment. Forget theory. Look directly at the other person, ask questions, and let us become really and truly human in our behavior once again.


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05 Jan 2020, 1:16 am

What's interesting to me is those who mock religion, but at the same time consider mocking the beliefs of Jews and Muslims as Antisemitic and Islamophobic.



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05 Jan 2020, 1:31 am

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What's interesting to me is those who mock religion, but at the same time consider mocking the beliefs of Jews and Muslims as Antisemitic and Islamophobic.


What's interesting to me is people who mock anyone, or any group of people. :(


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05 Jan 2020, 1:46 am

Some folks seem to rather enjoy being toxic.



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05 Jan 2020, 2:34 am

EzraS wrote:
What's interesting to me is those who mock religion, but at the same time consider mocking the beliefs of Jews and Muslims as Antisemitic and Islamophobic.


There is a time and place for you to shift into "Alt-right" mode but you are going off topic as usual. This thread is about the United Methodist Church and by logic the greater christian movement.