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16 Feb 2020, 8:56 pm

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Democrats make most everything out to be racist, and kids pick up on that.


Or maybe the Dems are simply pointing out racist rhetoric?


It seems like the game plan it to proclaim themselves as being human rights activists while accusing millions of others of being deplorable fascist racists.


No, just those who are.


Which is conveniently vague.


What's vague about people who promote the notion that some races are inferior to others, that criminality is genetic in such inferior races, and that said races should be deported, suppressed, sterilized, or even murdered? Those are the deplorables. Denying this fact is only helping said deplorables.


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16 Feb 2020, 8:59 pm

Don't forget Trump's Muslim ban (and before anyone pipes up how that's only about religion, it should be pointed out that Muslim countries are mainly made up of brown and black people).


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16 Feb 2020, 9:12 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Don't forget Trump's Muslim ban (and before anyone pipes up how that's only about religion, it should be pointed out that Muslim countries are mainly made up of brown and black people).


Though officially, Arabs and Iranians are considered white.


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16 Feb 2020, 9:16 pm

Everyone's words have consequences. That's why it's best to learn to bridal our tongues.


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16 Feb 2020, 9:35 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Don't forget Trump's Muslim ban (and before anyone pipes up how that's only about religion, it should be pointed out that Muslim countries are mainly made up of brown and black people).


And yet, strangely enough, the country with the highest number of followers of this religion (Indonesia) was not included in the ban, nor were the majority of countries where this is the main/only religion, so to call it a ban on a religion, rather than to look at the actual reason (inability to confirm the id's of people from the specific countries which were targeted) would seem to be disingenuous at best.



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16 Feb 2020, 10:27 pm

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Talking about “s**thole countries” is blatantly racist.


The problem I have with that notion is that advocates of illegal immigration say those people need asylum here from those countries because they are s**tholes full of gangs murderers and rapists.



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16 Feb 2020, 10:41 pm

The majority of countries made up of brown and black people have never been banned. The majority of countries made up of Muslims have never been banned.



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16 Feb 2020, 11:01 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Don't forget Trump's Muslim ban (and before anyone pipes up how that's only about religion, it should be pointed out that Muslim countries are mainly made up of brown and black people).


Though officially, Arabs and Iranians are considered white.


While they are actually Caucasians, most people see them as brown.


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16 Feb 2020, 11:03 pm

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Don't forget Trump's Muslim ban (and before anyone pipes up how that's only about religion, it should be pointed out that Muslim countries are mainly made up of brown and black people).


And yet, strangely enough, the country with the highest number of followers of this religion (Indonesia) was not included in the ban, nor were the majority of countries where this is the main/only religion, so to call it a ban on a religion, rather than to look at the actual reason (inability to confirm the id's of people from the specific countries which were targeted) would seem to be disingenuous at best.


Stephen Miller, the Nazi/Jewish hybrid, was far more interested in race and religion when he came up with this atrocity for Trump.


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17 Feb 2020, 12:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Democrats make most everything out to be racist, and kids pick up on that.


Or maybe the Dems are simply pointing out racist rhetoric?


It seems like the game plan it to proclaim themselves as being human rights activists while accusing millions of others of being deplorable fascist racists.


No, just those who are.


Which is conveniently vague.


What's vague about people who promote the notion that some races are inferior to others, that criminality is genetic in such inferior races, and that said races should be deported, suppressed, sterilized, or even murdered? Those are the deplorables. Denying this fact is only helping said deplorables.


It is vague because democrats can apply it in various ways to any person or group who is not democrat. If you're not dem then at the very least you're sus.

There is a huge indefinable threat out there and the Democrats are the guardians against it. Racists, Russians and climate catastrophe.



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17 Feb 2020, 12:46 am

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I'm curious as to where anything Trump has said has been racist.
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I agree with AS that Trump uses coded language that appeals the white right without being overtly racist (although he comes awfully close)

Why don't you examine his supporters and see what motivates them? there's actually very little hard data to support economic reasons for his support but very strong statistical significance when you take predominantly "white zip codes" who are primarily persuaded by his nationalist and populist agenda.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=2822059



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17 Feb 2020, 1:06 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Democrats make most everything out to be racist, and kids pick up on that.


Or maybe the Dems are simply pointing out racist rhetoric?


It seems like the game plan it to proclaim themselves as being human rights activists while accusing millions of others of being deplorable fascist racists.


No, just those who are.


Which is conveniently vague.


What's vague about people who promote the notion that some races are inferior to others, that criminality is genetic in such inferior races, and that said races should be deported, suppressed, sterilized, or even murdered? Those are the deplorables. Denying this fact is only helping said deplorables.


It is vague because democrats can apply it in various ways to any person or group who is not democrat. If you're not dem then at the very least you're sus.

There is a huge indefinable threat out there and the Democrats are the guardians against it. Racists, Russians and climate catastrophe.


Uh... no. If people don't say those abhorrent, deplorable things - or defend racists - then they won't be called racists.


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17 Feb 2020, 1:42 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Democrats make most everything out to be racist, and kids pick up on that.


Or maybe the Dems are simply pointing out racist rhetoric?


It seems like the game plan it to proclaim themselves as being human rights activists while accusing millions of others of being deplorable fascist racists.


No, just those who are.


Which is conveniently vague.


What's vague about people who promote the notion that some races are inferior to others, that criminality is genetic in such inferior races, and that said races should be deported, suppressed, sterilized, or even murdered? Those are the deplorables. Denying this fact is only helping said deplorables.


It is vague because democrats can apply it in various ways to any person or group who is not democrat. If you're not dem then at the very least you're sus.

There is a huge indefinable threat out there and the Democrats are the guardians against it. Racists, Russians and climate catastrophe.


Uh... no. If people don't say those abhorrent, deplorable things - or defend racists - then they won't be called racists.


That gets shot down by the all the racist codes there are supposed to be. Which again is vauge and subject to constant change.



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17 Feb 2020, 1:53 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Don't forget Trump's Muslim ban (and before anyone pipes up how that's only about religion, it should be pointed out that Muslim countries are mainly made up of brown and black people).


And yet, strangely enough, the country with the highest number of followers of this religion (Indonesia) was not included in the ban, nor were the majority of countries where this is the main/only religion, so to call it a ban on a religion, rather than to look at the actual reason (inability to confirm the id's of people from the specific countries which were targeted) would seem to be disingenuous at best.


Stephen Miller, the Nazi/Jewish hybrid, was far more interested in race and religion when he came up with this atrocity for Trump.


I'm curious...Are there any documents/recordings of this, or is your statement/belief based upon assumption, supposition, or 3rd party hear-say? I'm not denying it is possible (probable? I have no idea who this person is), but with the amount of "racist", etc. claims flying around (along with reporters presenting opinions as facts), it would be nice to be able to see an actual "original"/"first-hand" record of this before I make up my mind as to whether this was the intention behind the changes to entry requirements over there.

From the outside, they look like basic measures which would be expected to be in place so that it is known who (and how many) people are entering the country, but I can see how with the correct "motivation" they can be made to sound like they are aimed at specific races/religions in order to "discriminate against" or "protect against" these people (make you pick based on what you wish to see).



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17 Feb 2020, 2:00 am

I mean you know maybe we just all need to admit there is a racism problem in this country. The question is can it be overcome? I mean the civil rights movement helped to get minorities equal rights but it certainly seems to me the racism never really went away.


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17 Feb 2020, 2:12 am

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Brictoria wrote:
I'm curious as to where anything Trump has said has been racist.
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I agree with AS that Trump uses coded language that appeals the white right without being overtly racist (although he comes awfully close)

Why don't you examine his supporters and see what motivates them? there's actually very little hard data to support economic reasons for his support but very strong statistical significance when you take predominantly "white zip codes" who are primarily persuaded by his nationalist and populist agenda.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=2822059


I'd suggest that if you go into any activity looking for racism, everything will appear racist.

If you take a step back, and ignore the country(s) referred to, the laws are targeted at specific entry requirements. The fact that only certain countries are targeted is a reflection on the lax ID records from where people are arriving from, or quantity of people entering.

As to the supporters: If one party is going to focus all their efforts on telling a group of people that they are "bad" and that all other groups are "good", at the same time offering incentives to these "good" groups to support them at the expense of the "bad" groups, then naturally the "bad" group will turn to the other party. How hard is it to treat everyone equally, focusing on their situation rather than their "colour"/"religion"?